greetings... having a problem bouncing

[desertangel]

Hi all,

Glad I found this message board.

Intro:
On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being a real hot-shot home studio engineer, I'm about a 2 or 3 - it's what I do when I get the urge and have time. So I have a Boss BR-1200 bought awhile back for vocal work and now use it for song composition with synths & pianos. I had one of those "I'll get back to this song later" on the hard drive that I started working on again last night. I had six tracks with only 1 minute each on them, so I copied the first minute on each of the 6 tracks 5 times to lengthen out the song. I put a new lead track on, saved and bounced it for mix down. When I play back the bounce track, it plays the original 1 minute of the 6 tracks and the rest is dead air, like I never copied anything. When I go back to the original tracks, all the copied song data is there.

This is the only song I've ever used the copy feature on. I followed the instructions to the T. In fact, two of the tracks song data were copied by the tech during a demo and those tracks won't even bounce.

Any clues as to why my copied song data won't bounce?

Thanks in advance for any input.

This is a new one on me - this smiley is making me laugh...

 

[AbuseTheMuses]

A lot of those kind of recorders need spare room to do bouncing.... like a memory reserve it needs to do its doohickey stuff mixing it together. I think your machine was probably maxed out on usable disc space so it couldn't perform the bounce. Just my first hunch. Try doing tracks a fewer at a time and creating submix bounces of that, then deleting the firsts and working on the second/third/etc layers?

 

[diggy_dude]

Many samplers, which concept encompasses digital recorders, store only one copy of a clip and save memory by storing only pointers to that data for each additional copy you make. So the question is, did you copy the WAV file output to your PC and then copy it back, or did you copy the recorder's internal data structure and then copy it back?

 

[desertangel]

Thank you both for your input.

Going on that, I played around with it a bit and got mixed results. Tried bouncing to a different track and got 2 minutes of the 7 tracks bounced instead of 1 minute. Did a few other things and the bounced track kept getting shorter, so it does seem like it's maxing out on some kind of memory. There's plenty of room on the HD. I used the recorder's Track Copy function so indexing shouldn't be a problem. My computer and gear aren't connected, yet. I work on a computer all day for work so been trying to limit spare time on the comptuer... at least until I buy that Jupiter 8 emulation software.

I'll give the guys at the shop a jingle, see if they can shed some more light. I don't think Roland offers that kind of support. If I have to submix bounces, this song is going to take even longer to complete, either that or I'll have to drink 3 mochas before I do it.

 

[mjbphotos]

You should be able to look at the recording time left on the hard drive by going into the Utilities.

 

[desertangel]

It says I have 4 hours of recording time left on the hard drive. I Optimized the song, according to the manual, that's supposed to rectify these kinds of issues and it didn't.

So here's another question; once you Master a song, can you go back and add to the tracks and "remaster" it? If not, then that's the problem. If so, then I must continue digging for an answer. I wasn't able to find any tips or notes about remastering in the manual.

(Yes, I did master a 1 minute song. It was my first attempt and I was just dinking around with layering, mixing, mastering, burning a CD, etc. but ended up really liking what I had and wanted to expand on it.)

... off to the Mastering forum to see if this question has already been asked & answered. -Never Mind.

 

[diggy_dude]

... off to the Mastering forum to see if this question has already been asked & answered.

Something tells me the mastering presets on a home multitracker don't quite fit those guys' definition of mastering. Even if they did, they probably wouldn't be familiar with consumer-grade gear. Perhaps you'd have better luck in the Boss/Roland forum, if there is one.

 

[desertangel]

No shyte. I looked at the first two pages of subjects in the Mastering forum and came back here to edit my last message. PhDs over there. I've taken a couple of stabs at locating the Roland User's Group forum, perhaps I should be more persistent. Thanks!

EDIT: I found a Tascam, Boss, etc. basic-standalone-recorder forum by scrolling way down on the main page of homerecording.com - dang, this place is huge! My mastering question is now posted over there.

 

[diggy_dude]

No shyte. I looked at the first two pages of subjects in the Mastering forum and came back here to edit my last message. PhDs over there. I've taken a couple of stabs at locating the Roland User's Group forum, perhaps I should be more persistent. Thanks!

Having all those PhDs around will come in handy when you reach the level where you want to start learning their craft.

I found that there is a Roland/Boss forum, incidentally.

 

[desertangel]

Yes, I think we must have found that forum at the same time! I'm redirecting.

 

[Chibi Nappa]

I use the Roland 2480. If the boss works in a similar way:

*It does not copy the audio, it only places a marker.
*It needs some "lead-in" time.

See what happens if you render with a measure of dead space before the copy. If that works, maybe you can work out some stagger arrangement where the copy starts up on an empty track and then the next copy stars back up on the original track.