alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
darrin_h2000 said:
I think you would have fun doing it!
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CyanJaguar
New member
chessrock. WHAT? no sample? you are sentenced to two hours of labor, which shall be spent posting samples of vocals and guitar for us to hear, to be completed no later than 10:00 pm tonight.
You said its an excellent pre not regarding price. WOW.
I'll be p.m ing you in two months.
You said its an excellent pre not regarding price. WOW.
I'll be p.m ing you in two months.
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chessparov
New member
Cyan, this is chessPAROV not chessROCK.
I'm flattered by the requests for recorded samples however;
1) IMHO MP3's "dumb down" the sound so much they're almost
worthless for pre comparisons. (Don't know how to do it BTW)
2) My recording ability is, relatively speaking, much lower than my
singing ability so it would be rather embarassing!
Of course if some professional producer out there wanted me to
sing on their demos and could overlook my age...
Warning! Warning! Blatant attempt at scoring free studio time
to star on American Idol. Danger Will Robinson!
Chris
P.S. Of course I had to run the tube blend full blast,
and sound like Issac Hayes from Planet X. Shaft! Right on.
I'm flattered by the requests for recorded samples however;
1) IMHO MP3's "dumb down" the sound so much they're almost
worthless for pre comparisons. (Don't know how to do it BTW)
2) My recording ability is, relatively speaking, much lower than my
singing ability so it would be rather embarassing!
Of course if some professional producer out there wanted me to
sing on their demos and could overlook my age...
Warning! Warning! Blatant attempt at scoring free studio time
to star on American Idol. Danger Will Robinson!
Chris
P.S. Of course I had to run the tube blend full blast,
and sound like Issac Hayes from Planet X. Shaft! Right on.
heylow
New member
Hungry for Spam....anyone else? MMMmmmm....
Really, I dont think one can go ultra wrong. It isnt much more expensive than the ART with metering and stuff and I'm guessing it's better than that at worst, not to mention better build quility.
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DANGER!!!!! ASKING ALAN HIS OPINION...POSSIBLE SPAM...READ NO FURTHER OR DONT BITCH LATER!!!!!!!
Alan, do have any idea what it compares to, roughly? I mean in your opinion, of course. Is it better than something like the ART? As good as an MP20? Better? How pro would you consider the sound?
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I'm really thinking about trying one of these suckers out. I got a custom Davisound coming in about a week or 2....I think I'm getting preamp addicted!
heylow
Really, I dont think one can go ultra wrong. It isnt much more expensive than the ART with metering and stuff and I'm guessing it's better than that at worst, not to mention better build quility.
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DANGER!!!!! ASKING ALAN HIS OPINION...POSSIBLE SPAM...READ NO FURTHER OR DONT BITCH LATER!!!!!!!
Alan, do have any idea what it compares to, roughly? I mean in your opinion, of course. Is it better than something like the ART? As good as an MP20? Better? How pro would you consider the sound?
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I'm really thinking about trying one of these suckers out. I got a custom Davisound coming in about a week or 2....I think I'm getting preamp addicted!
heylow
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
heylow,
Yeah, that is danger!! Like I said in some of my other posts. We compared it to a Grace and an Avalon VT-737. We were very pleased at the results. I will not say what I liked or did not like, but we were pretty impressed and a bit shocked at the outcome. The Avalon and Grace are fine units, and the VTB-1 held its own quite nicely, but I am not saying they sound like them. Again, I think at $179.99 it is well worth the results.
Yeah, that is danger!! Like I said in some of my other posts. We compared it to a Grace and an Avalon VT-737. We were very pleased at the results. I will not say what I liked or did not like, but we were pretty impressed and a bit shocked at the outcome. The Avalon and Grace are fine units, and the VTB-1 held its own quite nicely, but I am not saying they sound like them. Again, I think at $179.99 it is well worth the results.
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chessparov
New member
Gave the VBT-1 my "torture test" with a microphone with the same
low sensitivity as a SM58 AND it needs phantom power.
Well..
The VTB-1 passed with flying colors-still extremely quiet and detailed in
solid state alone! (no mean feat)
The tube blend is a cool feature, however, I need to learn how to properly
add it through trail and error AKA mixdown.
Alan's measure of enthusiastic restraint is most admirable considering how
damn good this pre is! Better $/value ratio than even the sacred RNC compressor
IMHO if that give you an idea of the magnitude.
Chris
low sensitivity as a SM58 AND it needs phantom power.
Well..
The VTB-1 passed with flying colors-still extremely quiet and detailed in
solid state alone! (no mean feat)
The tube blend is a cool feature, however, I need to learn how to properly
add it through trail and error AKA mixdown.
Alan's measure of enthusiastic restraint is most admirable considering how
damn good this pre is! Better $/value ratio than even the sacred RNC compressor
IMHO if that give you an idea of the magnitude.
Chris
crawdad
Dammit, Jim, Shut Up!
Hell, I better get one before they raise the price! Oh, and thanks for the testing and posts on this pre. Its been a long wait!
Tell Alan I'll place it above Neve's, Grace's and Avalon's in my LENGTHY reviews if he'll just slip me one in the mail!
Tell Alan I'll place it above Neve's, Grace's and Avalon's in my LENGTHY reviews if he'll just slip me one in the mail!
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chessrock
Banned
What are you comparing it too, Chess? Any a/b testing going on, here?
I might be inclined to get more excited about the RNC comment if I knew you were comparing it with $2K pres (the way the rnc is often compared w/ $2K compressors).
Thanks!
- the other chess
I might be inclined to get more excited about the RNC comment if I knew you were comparing it with $2K pres (the way the rnc is often compared w/ $2K compressors).
Thanks!
- the other chess
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
chessparov said:
I was pretty contained on this unit. I am glad you recognized that. Now that you know what I know...
I WILL RAISE THE PRICE TO $599.99.....
I am only kidding!!!!!!
Alan Hyatt
Scooter B
New member
Alan,
I just wanted to say I am glad you are still here on this BBS despite rumors of not comimg back
I for one feel you are equally enthusiastic of any quality products you distribute through PMI whether you personally helped design them or not and are helpfull with recomemdations on products you are familiar with whether you personally sold them or not.
So I want to tell the alleged SPAM-A-PHOBIC'S to go into some web and phone free cave dwelling. I am not saying I am for spam I just don't think Alan is guilty of any.
BTW thanks for the demo model 
I just wanted to say I am glad you are still here on this BBS despite rumors of not comimg back
I for one feel you are equally enthusiastic of any quality products you distribute through PMI whether you personally helped design them or not and are helpfull with recomemdations on products you are familiar with whether you personally sold them or not.
So I want to tell the alleged SPAM-A-PHOBIC'S to go into some web and phone free cave dwelling. I am not saying I am for spam I just don't think Alan is guilty of any.
BTW thanks for the demo model
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chessparov
New member
BUT I'll sell mine for only $499.99! (just kidding)
Congratualations Alan, you "did it" IMHO.
Chessrock, you owe it to yourself to try this mic pre out rather than
relying on what I or others say-it will be more than worthwhile.
Every week I go once or twice to an acapella workshop and sing in
front of, and listen to about 20+ singers. All the way from talented
beginners to some of the best in the country.
As a result I'm VERY sensitive to vocal tone qualities, especially since
we are all either informally or formally judged when we perform.
So that's my "comparison"...
Chris
Congratualations Alan, you "did it" IMHO.
Chessrock, you owe it to yourself to try this mic pre out rather than
relying on what I or others say-it will be more than worthwhile.
Every week I go once or twice to an acapella workshop and sing in
front of, and listen to about 20+ singers. All the way from talented
beginners to some of the best in the country.
As a result I'm VERY sensitive to vocal tone qualities, especially since
we are all either informally or formally judged when we perform.
So that's my "comparison"...
Chris
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CyanJaguar
New member
chessparov, Im sorry. I mistook you for chessrock
Anoyhow, you dont have to compare it to anything. Lets just hear how it sounds. If you can convert it to mp3 and email it to me, I'll host it on my site for a while.
funk on!
Anoyhow, you dont have to compare it to anything. Lets just hear how it sounds. If you can convert it to mp3 and email it to me, I'll host it on my site for a while.
funk on!
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
Scooter B said:Alan,
I just wanted to say I am glad you are still here on this BBS despite rumors of not comimg back
I for one feel you are equally enthusiastic of any quality products you distribute through PMI whether you personally helped design them or not and are helpfull with recomemdations on products you are familiar with whether you personally sold them or not.
So I want to tell the alleged SPAM-A-PHOBIC'S to go into some web and phone free cave dwelling. I am not saying I am for spam I just don't think Alan is guilty of any.
BTW thanks for the demo model
Scooter,
Thank you, but I believe that any old problems are gone, and I hope that everyone else will simply put that issue to bed.
regards,
Alan Hyatt
Buck62
噛んでくれ
chessparov said:
...and, unfortunately, Father Time.
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Wait a second... he would fall under the "cockroaches" category.
...nevermind!
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chessrock
Banned
chessparov said:
What I meant was "What is your frame of reference?" in terms of other preamps.
I assume you have a mackie board? A Joemeek? Other? The only reason I'm asking is because it would be pretty easy for someone who's only frame of reference was a Radio Shack mic to proclaim that the Rode NT1 was the RNC of mics, for example. I'm not saying that's you're case, so I'm just wondering what other preamps you have experience with. Thanks! Glad you're enjoying it!
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Bowisc
New member
Chessrock,
I too was going to ask a similar question.... wondering how the VTB-1 sounds compared to let's say - VLZ/Pro's. I'm not talking about which is better/worse discussion... but simply a comparison.
And by the way, I did pick up (5) of those Radio Shack 3032 mics (Sennheise e604 clones).
Bowisc
P. S. How's that V93M/2003?
I too was going to ask a similar question.... wondering how the VTB-1 sounds compared to let's say - VLZ/Pro's. I'm not talking about which is better/worse discussion... but simply a comparison.
And by the way, I did pick up (5) of those Radio Shack 3032 mics (Sennheise e604 clones).
Bowisc
P. S. How's that V93M/2003?
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chessparov
New member
Cyan, as stated previously I'm not set up for MP3 (yet!).
Besides, the rest of the chain would be fed into a Tascam 564 mindisc 4 track player, and while it's more than adequate for
serious demos, a 2" reel to reel or 24/96 ala Radar would be
much better at subtleties. This is in addition to the serious
signal degradation you'd get inherently on MP3.
A listening CD like the one Studio Projects has on the C series
would be interesting, however, nothing beats hearing it firsthand!
Chessrock here is my "listening resume" on mic pre's either owned or used;
1) Joe Meek VC6Q & VC3Q (nice pre's "rounder" sounding IMHO
Mackie VLZ)
2) Mackie 1202 VLZ Pro (a bit clinical for my tastes/nice for 16 bit)
3) Aphex 107 (quiet/warm dual mic pre with lots of gain)
4) Behringer 802A mixer (always good for a laugh!)
5) Bellari MP105 (junk!)
6) Neve 1073 (just kidding!)
Your question WAS understood BTW.
Maybe my response would have been clearer by saying that as an
experienced acapella singer it has caused me to be sensitive to the level of TRANSPARENCY-as if NO microphone or mic pre was being used. Alan knows I was able to detect the use of Joe Meek equipment from listening to a Mellencamp single on the radio,
and this was after the station almost squeezed the life out of it
using a typical amount of their on-air compression!
So being corrected for being an 1/8 or 1/16th flat or sharp on my
singing has it's upsides...
Chris
P.S. This is my longwinded way of saying the VTB-1 is very
transparent in solid state mode.
Besides, the rest of the chain would be fed into a Tascam 564 mindisc 4 track player, and while it's more than adequate for
serious demos, a 2" reel to reel or 24/96 ala Radar would be
much better at subtleties. This is in addition to the serious
signal degradation you'd get inherently on MP3.
A listening CD like the one Studio Projects has on the C series
would be interesting, however, nothing beats hearing it firsthand!
Chessrock here is my "listening resume" on mic pre's either owned or used;
1) Joe Meek VC6Q & VC3Q (nice pre's "rounder" sounding IMHO
Mackie VLZ)
2) Mackie 1202 VLZ Pro (a bit clinical for my tastes/nice for 16 bit)
3) Aphex 107 (quiet/warm dual mic pre with lots of gain)
4) Behringer 802A mixer (always good for a laugh!)
5) Bellari MP105 (junk!)
6) Neve 1073 (just kidding!)
Your question WAS understood BTW.
Maybe my response would have been clearer by saying that as an
experienced acapella singer it has caused me to be sensitive to the level of TRANSPARENCY-as if NO microphone or mic pre was being used. Alan knows I was able to detect the use of Joe Meek equipment from listening to a Mellencamp single on the radio,
and this was after the station almost squeezed the life out of it
using a typical amount of their on-air compression!
So being corrected for being an 1/8 or 1/16th flat or sharp on my
singing has it's upsides...
Chris
P.S. This is my longwinded way of saying the VTB-1 is very
transparent in solid state mode.
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chessparov
New member
Oops! I'm sorry my comment "nice for 16 bit" referred to the
APHEX 107, not the Mackie VLZ.
Chris
APHEX 107, not the Mackie VLZ.
Chris
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dres
New member
chessparov: OK this is a side issue but....There is nothing wrong with MP3 encoding if the bitrate is high enough (192 or higher). I too always assumed MP3's were bad news untill recently.... turns out 128 is just not high enough. By the time you get to 160-192 you can't tell the difference. I've proved this with my own testing. Just find an encoder that lets you set the bitrate.