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Brian01
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Is it just me, or is that guitar part "American Girl" by Tom Petty? I always think thats what song it is till he sings.
I like the song though.
I like the song though.
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LongWaveStudio
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ah well, it's another album done on the 24-8 desk.
im still waiting for the meterbridges for my ones.
im still waiting for the meterbridges for my ones.
Henrik
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Dolemite said:Don't forget Europe, you wankers!
Yes, please do.
I wasn't saying Oasis are the best band in the world (they have sorta taken care of that bit themselves), but yes, I think Liam is one of the best rock vocalists ever.
cordura21
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rich kids vs. poor kids?
Mick Jagger, Slash, Freddy Mercury.
They weren't from poor families, yet they are talented. What's the point of making a difference on the roots of an artist? Is that important?
Mick Jagger, Slash, Freddy Mercury.
They weren't from poor families, yet they are talented. What's the point of making a difference on the roots of an artist? Is that important?
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Blackburn
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So does "true" rock n roll have to sound like any 1980's Def Leppard cock rock album or can it be a little different?
Maybe some of you guys should let go of the classic rock stations and lend an ear toward something that sound a little different. Is everyone out there trying to make their albums sound the same or is there still a little avenue left open for experimentation? Just because they happen to have a huge PR push and have made it big doesn't mean that they should live up to some stupid concept of what a major-label album should sound like.
Who needs another Creed??? Not me...
Maybe some of you guys should let go of the classic rock stations and lend an ear toward something that sound a little different. Is everyone out there trying to make their albums sound the same or is there still a little avenue left open for experimentation? Just because they happen to have a huge PR push and have made it big doesn't mean that they should live up to some stupid concept of what a major-label album should sound like.
Who needs another Creed??? Not me...
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postalblue
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who needs ONE creed?
db51
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Exactly. I can't believe some people in this thread complain about their sound. I don't care if it's "lo-fi", "retro" or "sound like ass" : at least they sound different than 99% of the standardized rock bands out there, and that's damn refreshing.
nave
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Another one for black burn...
BTW, I don't even own the record, and I'm not a big fan of them...However, I saw them live and they are damn good...and they sound exactly like they do on their album.......You all claim that they're being pretentious and phony for going for this lo-fi, retro sound when recording ........That's bullshit though because lo-fi and retro is their sound and fancy pancy recording would have weekened it.....Turns out they're producer, whoever he was, captured their original sound to a T.....
If they did do a fancy pancy recording, then you could say that they are phony and pretentious and you would actually make some sense when you said it.........Using your own faulty logic, I could say that you all, with your home studios, are phony and pretentious for subscribing to this polished/professional standard of sound that the RIA has rammed so far up your ass that it has now made it all the way to your brain and is literally coming out of your mouths as you speak......Now, Go ,quick to the mp3 clinic and continue to fret over getting that "dream" polished/professionally recorded sound with your homerecorded gear.....Smeh....You might as well go searching for the "holy grail." You people are probably the same peeps who always complain about the recording industry and how unfair they are; when the fact is that your whole damn attitude is what enables them to continue doing what their doing.....
BTW, this is not aimed at anyone in particular....It is just meant to show that we are all victems of this freakin industry and that most of us have the victem mentality...That's part of what the victem mentality is: when you buy into what the victemizer is preeching and the cycle goes round and round....The point is that you shouldn't subscribe to record company standards because that qualifies as being a victem...The other point is that you should not play the role of victem so you can put an end to the cycle.... .....
There is nothing wrong with wanting to get the best sound you possibly can with your gear...Go for it......But, don't be a victem and don't set up double standards....
peace
- nave
Blackburn said:
BTW, I don't even own the record, and I'm not a big fan of them...However, I saw them live and they are damn good...and they sound exactly like they do on their album.......You all claim that they're being pretentious and phony for going for this lo-fi, retro sound when recording ........That's bullshit though because lo-fi and retro is their sound and fancy pancy recording would have weekened it.....Turns out they're producer, whoever he was, captured their original sound to a T.....
If they did do a fancy pancy recording, then you could say that they are phony and pretentious and you would actually make some sense when you said it.........Using your own faulty logic, I could say that you all, with your home studios, are phony and pretentious for subscribing to this polished/professional standard of sound that the RIA has rammed so far up your ass that it has now made it all the way to your brain and is literally coming out of your mouths as you speak......Now, Go ,quick to the mp3 clinic and continue to fret over getting that "dream" polished/professionally recorded sound with your homerecorded gear.....Smeh....You might as well go searching for the "holy grail." You people are probably the same peeps who always complain about the recording industry and how unfair they are; when the fact is that your whole damn attitude is what enables them to continue doing what their doing.....
BTW, this is not aimed at anyone in particular....It is just meant to show that we are all victems of this freakin industry and that most of us have the victem mentality...That's part of what the victem mentality is: when you buy into what the victemizer is preeching and the cycle goes round and round....The point is that you shouldn't subscribe to record company standards because that qualifies as being a victem...The other point is that you should not play the role of victem so you can put an end to the cycle.... .....
There is nothing wrong with wanting to get the best sound you possibly can with your gear...Go for it......But, don't be a victem and don't set up double standards....
peace
- nave
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The Garage
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Un-freakin-believable. Why don't you forget that they are rich and snobby for a second and just listen with your ears? They did something that is really cool. Whether you like their songs or not, they recorded something that has its own retro, quirky style. Awesome! People like you and me can record music in a quirky, rugged style like this without a freakin' SSL console or a 50,000 dollar Protools rig. I think that's neat. Why should everything be poppy and over-polished? That's the downfall of most bands (especially U2). They replace their songwriting with production values. So what if they sound more like a clash or velvet underground record? I like that sound. It has more heart than the run-of-the-mill bazillion dollar album. And you think their songs all sound the same -- it's called a sound. My grandpa thinks all Beatles songs sound the same too. Anyways, I'd sorta expect you guys to freak out about something that challenges your recording values. I'm sure you can appreciate it for being different, whether or not you like the music (I think it's a classic album).
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The Garage
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Oh, I wanted to make one more point, not that I think I'm gonna change anyone's mind -- I don't think anyone has ever changed anyone's mind on this stubborn-ass board. This is called homerecording.com. These guys make a home recording that actually sounds like a home recording and everyone is offended. Seems kinda ironic, doesn't it? Food for thought.
wes480
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the hives are cool - but listening to the music at face value and forgetting about "swedish this" or "rich boy that" - I don't think you can love the hives and hate the strokes..
the hives a a little heavier...slightly different vocal style...but, both are very very similar..
and the drum sound is almost identical.
if you arn't willing to listen to the music at face value and forget about the rest then just give it up.
As far as overproduction killing U2 - Achtung baby is a classic album. And All That You Can't Leave Behind is just as well written song wise as the Joshua Tree. it's presented a little differently...but, I think it is better personally for the songs..It does the songs justice. All That You can't is by no means "polished" - there are a lot of non-typical pop things on that album.
Too many haters in the world. <sigh>
the hives a a little heavier...slightly different vocal style...but, both are very very similar..
and the drum sound is almost identical.
if you arn't willing to listen to the music at face value and forget about the rest then just give it up.
As far as overproduction killing U2 - Achtung baby is a classic album. And All That You Can't Leave Behind is just as well written song wise as the Joshua Tree. it's presented a little differently...but, I think it is better personally for the songs..It does the songs justice. All That You can't is by no means "polished" - there are a lot of non-typical pop things on that album.
Too many haters in the world. <sigh>
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charger
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This is one of those threads I wish was a joke.
The Strokes is NOT a home recording. It cost a minimum of $100 grand to record that album, and probably a lot more.
A lot of people have made a lot of arguments about why this is the greatest thing ever recorded and why they have so much integrity and all this bullshit. Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not the first time a crappy recording has been made. Check out anything by the Sex Pistols, or the Misfits.
Or if you really want to hear some good albums that are recorded with nearly the same production values, check out the Stooges' "Raw Power" or "Fun House--" two albums recorded around 1970 that have the Strokes sound, with actual decent songwriting and real rock emotion. I guarantee if you haven't heard them, and you have heard the Strokes, you're going to be surprised when you compare them.
And if you really think this is a groundbreaking move in music, and everyone's going to love it, and it's fresh and exciting and pure, then go out and make your recordings sound like that, and see if ANYONE will listen to them without MASSIVE backing from a major label.
The Strokes is NOT a home recording. It cost a minimum of $100 grand to record that album, and probably a lot more.
A lot of people have made a lot of arguments about why this is the greatest thing ever recorded and why they have so much integrity and all this bullshit. Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not the first time a crappy recording has been made. Check out anything by the Sex Pistols, or the Misfits.
Or if you really want to hear some good albums that are recorded with nearly the same production values, check out the Stooges' "Raw Power" or "Fun House--" two albums recorded around 1970 that have the Strokes sound, with actual decent songwriting and real rock emotion. I guarantee if you haven't heard them, and you have heard the Strokes, you're going to be surprised when you compare them.
And if you really think this is a groundbreaking move in music, and everyone's going to love it, and it's fresh and exciting and pure, then go out and make your recordings sound like that, and see if ANYONE will listen to them without MASSIVE backing from a major label.
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Cakey2
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Reccuds
I am no big fan of the Strokes, and I don't believe that the way forwards in music is ever by looking backwards BUT:
When it comes down to it the Strokes have produced a record which sounds like they wanted it to sound, something a bit different to most of the other rubbish that hits the charts AND they produced something that other people like and have bought by the million and which, and this may be open to discussion, probably didn't cost as much to record as most of the other rubbish on the chart: no big name studio, no big name producer, I think that tends to cut the bills down, no?
Respect to them for that.
I am no big fan of the Strokes, and I don't believe that the way forwards in music is ever by looking backwards BUT:
When it comes down to it the Strokes have produced a record which sounds like they wanted it to sound, something a bit different to most of the other rubbish that hits the charts AND they produced something that other people like and have bought by the million and which, and this may be open to discussion, probably didn't cost as much to record as most of the other rubbish on the chart: no big name studio, no big name producer, I think that tends to cut the bills down, no?
Respect to them for that.
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Erland
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As it happens
My flatmates are off to the Strokes concert in Edinburgh tommorw. I`ll ask them how it went. Lets see if they can cut the mustard live. In scotland tickets are being sold like mad. people are buying for 80 to 100 pounds. Wierd.
My flatmates are off to the Strokes concert in Edinburgh tommorw. I`ll ask them how it went. Lets see if they can cut the mustard live. In scotland tickets are being sold like mad. people are buying for 80 to 100 pounds. Wierd.
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jet-rocker
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Stroke me off
You know Charger: That's why I bought the Strokes album, because I heard they were "raw" rockers in the vein of the Stooges.
No way. Stooges eat em' for breakfast and then some. The strokes album is ok. I wished I hadn't bought it at first, but it's grown on me. At first the songs all sounded the same. Then I started picking out cool stuff. I like how it was produced.
Then again how the Misfits or Sex Pistols were produced didn't get in the way of the songs for me.
And I love Guitar Wolf. If you want trashy recordings, they have an entire album recorded through a boombox mike. And they can't play their instruments.
Such is life.
-Jett
You know Charger: That's why I bought the Strokes album, because I heard they were "raw" rockers in the vein of the Stooges.
No way. Stooges eat em' for breakfast and then some. The strokes album is ok. I wished I hadn't bought it at first, but it's grown on me. At first the songs all sounded the same. Then I started picking out cool stuff. I like how it was produced.
Then again how the Misfits or Sex Pistols were produced didn't get in the way of the songs for me.
And I love Guitar Wolf. If you want trashy recordings, they have an entire album recorded through a boombox mike. And they can't play their instruments.
Such is life.
-Jett
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SalJustSal
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My take on it is that a recording engineer/producer is an artist (anyone who doesn't think so should sell their equipment right now!! ) and the point isn't so much to "sound good" (which nowadays means to sound like the Big Names") but to express your creativity through your work. If everything sounded like the Big Names then music would be extremely boring.
Personally, I don't like a lot of major label recordings - they're too clean and pristine. There isn't much rawness or character left. For example, I'd rather listen to Nirvana Bleach than Nevermind; The Misfits than Blink 182. People tend to forget that music is also about emotion and you start to lose that when you compress the hell out of recordings.
-Sal
) and the point isn't so much to "sound good" (which nowadays means to sound like the Big Names") but to express your creativity through your work. If everything sounded like the Big Names then music would be extremely boring.Personally, I don't like a lot of major label recordings - they're too clean and pristine. There isn't much rawness or character left. For example, I'd rather listen to Nirvana Bleach than Nevermind; The Misfits than Blink 182. People tend to forget that music is also about emotion and you start to lose that when you compress the hell out of recordings.
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charger
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I agree.
Of course, the Strokes album is compressed to hell, one of the loudest I've heard.
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The Garage
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actually, charger, i have heard and own all the albums you are yapping about. and i still think that a) the strokes are as good and b) the album sounds different. i LOVE the way the album sounds -- it doesn't sound crappy at all. sounds different. and it was a home recording. it was made in somebody's basement. NOT in a major studio. anything else you need clarifying with?
"And if you really think this is a groundbreaking move in music, and everyone's going to love it, and it's fresh and exciting and pure, then go out and make your recordings sound like that, and see if ANYONE will listen to them without MASSIVE backing from a major label."
if i wanted to be loved by millions i wouldn't be figuring out how to do home recording. i would be saving up to go into a studio to make a demo that sound slike limp bizkit or britney spears. boring.
oh, the strokes were listened to before they were signed -- that's how they got signed. so i guess someone was listening to their "crappy sound."
and yes, everything has been said and done before. they are just doing it better. so in a way it is gorundbreaking when compared to the crap that is being played on the radio. it does stick out.
one more thing. you sound jealous.
"And if you really think this is a groundbreaking move in music, and everyone's going to love it, and it's fresh and exciting and pure, then go out and make your recordings sound like that, and see if ANYONE will listen to them without MASSIVE backing from a major label."
if i wanted to be loved by millions i wouldn't be figuring out how to do home recording. i would be saving up to go into a studio to make a demo that sound slike limp bizkit or britney spears. boring.
oh, the strokes were listened to before they were signed -- that's how they got signed. so i guess someone was listening to their "crappy sound."
and yes, everything has been said and done before. they are just doing it better. so in a way it is gorundbreaking when compared to the crap that is being played on the radio. it does stick out.
one more thing. you sound jealous.
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charger
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I AM jealous! I wish I was the son of John Casablancas, and could meet all those models! And I wouldn't mind being fabulously wealthy, set for life, and have a nice prep-school education to boot.
But jealous of their music? Are you kidding? I would rather be me and have 5 people hear my "home recordings" than be the flavor of the week. Matter of fact, I am me, and I'm quite happy about it!
But jealous of their music? Are you kidding? I would rather be me and have 5 people hear my "home recordings" than be the flavor of the week. Matter of fact, I am me, and I'm quite happy about it!
You have your taste and that's fine, I don't really care what you listen to or what you believe. If you really think the Strokes did it better than the Stooges, well, maybe they did and I'm just ignorant and I have no sense of hearing. Maybe my years and years of listening to a specturm of music that ranges from the profound to the profane has made it impossible for me to appreciate the level of genius and heartfelt sincerity of a band that is obviously so deeply talented as the Strokes. But after it all, I still don't understand why people so vehemently think that this band is the second coming. When you wake up in 3 years and you can't stand listening to the awful production on that album one more time, and decide to sell it for 3 bucks, then we'll talk.
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The Garage
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oh my god. i just realized how right you are! thank you so much!