god like bigger than life vocal sound?

[noisedude]

ho ho, see what you've done there. if you're still around, answer my question please!!

 

[crazydoc]

ho ho, see what you've done there. if you're still around, answer my question please!!

I thought I did. Which question are you talking about?

 

[noisedude]

sorry doc, we must have posted simultaneously, your answer wasn't there as i re-asked the question.

i was genuinely asking out of interest and no more. i'm a theology student and a christian. i'm not interested in shoving anything in your face and i always enjoy your posts, it just helps sometimes to know where a guy is coming from....DJL is a case in point

 

[Flatpicker]

...Yes, there are atheists in foxholes. And some of the worst scum of the earth are religious leaders.
"Guns don't kill people - religions do."...

I absolutely agree, but I’ll give it a different spin – I know we are speaking generally about God here, but speaking from a Christian viewpoint, lot's of people don't realize that Jesus also hated "religion".

 

[noisedude]

you're right, Tim, in the sense that he hated pointless religious posturing. without being rude he pointed out to people that refusing to eat pork or go shopping on a sunday was a bit dozy and had very little to do an actual faith in and relationship with god.

 

[crazydoc]

i'm not interested in shoving anything in your face...

This wasn't meant toward you personally - just the rhetorical "you". Lots of christians have a very evangelical posture which unfortunately yanks my chain.

I just don't understand how 99% of followers of any religion, who probably grew up in that religion, have never questioned it, and have never been exposed to any other culture or religion, know that their way is the "right" way, and non-believers are going to go to some hell post mortum. So you have all these groups in the world who know they are right, and are willing to kill those who disagree.

 

[Rocket Boy]

Maybe he meant the New York trick. . . mult, compress, compress, eq, de-ess, blend/automate under orginal vocal.

Upfront and/or dynamic. . .well, blend to taste.

yeah, thats what i was thinking of... i was hoping someone would be able to give me specific settings for making that work.

 

[chessrock]

There are no specific settings. Every track is different . . . every song is different . . . every voice is different. You have to experiment and learn what works and adjust to the situation. I'm not trying to be rude, but it's very annoying / irritating when people ask "what settings" they should use.

 

[mallcore pop]

That being said, squash the vocal (slow attack, fast release, high ratio), squash it again.

High-shelf past 1-5k to bring up the highs you lost from the compressor.

Get it sounding good, then crank the high-shelf gain past that about 4-6db.

De-ess the spits; bring it up under the uncompressed vocal (which I end up ditching anyway, but I suck so what do I know).

Honor thy nubs, adjust for plugin delay!

(The rest of you fun boys, get a room!)

 

[Gidge]

http://www.recordinginstitute.com/R2KREQ/excomp.htm

 

[Gidge]

http://www.recordingwebsite.com/rwtip/archive/rw68.html

 

[Rocket Boy]

There are no specific settings. Every track is different . . . every song is different . . . every voice is different. You have to experiment and learn what works and adjust to the situation. I'm not trying to be rude, but it's very annoying / irritating when people ask "what settings" they should use.

now i know thanks for the help.

 

[kdoggity]

crazy. I can understand your distrust. I live with two non-believers who sound very much like you on a daily basis. I guess I was just surprised by your comments that God seems to be having trouble prioritizing, and your praise of someone who thinks God isn't doing "jack-all" at the moment. I'm not going to try to convince you that my beliefs are right; you have shut the possibility out anyway. It is, however, frustrating to hear atheists complain that people of faith are somehow intrusive, then go rant your mouth off saying "when I starting thinking for myself... I decided that religious belief was (expletive)."

But I agree with what you said. Everyone needs to find their own path to the truth.

 

[crazydoc]

It is, however, frustrating to hear atheists complain that people of faith are somehow intrusive, then go rant your mouth off saying "when I starting thinking for myself... I decided that religious belief was (expletive)."

Well, firstly, I'm not an atheist - more agnostic. I accept the possibility of god - I just don't think it very likely from the experience and knowledge I've had.

Secondly, my "ranting off my mouth" is in response to other's interjections of religion into the conversation. I don't bring it up myself. I admit I have a response out of proportion to the stimulus. I guess when I see religion being promulgated as "the way", it's like DJL's response to the words "Studio Projects" or "PMI" or "Alan Hyatt."

Anyway, enough of this for this thread - it's been trampled all over.

Use a cardioid mic, up close for proximity effect, add some reverb, and you've got "god."

 

[noisedude]

i hear you, doc, i know where you're coming from. i don't know your context but i live in an extremely diverse area where christian faith is not the norm and so i don't take for granted what some of the more 'bible belt' types seem to. that's cool.

my final point is, on the part of christians at least, no-one who's really understand the point of jesus/the new covenant would ever go to war on a faith-based premise. one of the most humbling experiences i've had was seeing some of my friends go out to the regions of the 'Crusades' and hearing about how they went and apologised on behalf of our ancestors for those atrocities committed in our name.

 

[cominginsecond]

I'm not trying to be rude, but it's very annoying / irritating when people ask "what settings" they should use.

It's annoying and irritating to you. Not to me or many others on this board. When people ask what settings to use, they of course know that there's no magic bullet formula that will get them what they want, what they're looking for are general guidelines! Telling them to just "experiment" doesn't really do anyone any good.

That said, I think doubling vocals does "embiggen" the sound a bit, but it also makes it lose a vocal's personality a bit. It's a tradeoff.

 

[Rocket Boy]

It's annoying and irritating to you. Not to me or many others on this board. When people ask what settings to use, they of course know that there's no magic bullet formula that will get them what they want, what they're looking for are general guidelines! Telling them to just "experiment" doesn't really do anyone any good.

That said, I think doubling vocals does "embiggen" the sound a bit, but it also makes it lose a vocal's personality a bit. It's a tradeoff.

Yeah. Exactly. I was looking for more of a 'good place to start' then exact settings.

 

[chessrock]

Guys, I can understand how this kind of thing might be irritating to you.

Much like it's irritating to some of these guys who expect God to be there for them and to help out the people who need it most . . . as if somehow God owes them something.

Alright, so that's a really bad analogy. First off, you shouldn't be at the point where you need to be spoon-fed this stuff. And seriously guys, if I try to give you some example settings, I'll be doing you a lot more harm than good -- because there's no way I can even give you a remotely decent starting point . . . unless I'm sitting right there with you, mixing your song.

And I'm not going to do that for you, either, unless you're willing to pay me my hourly rate plus travel expenses, room & board, etc. etc.

So let's imagine I tell you : "Start out with a really short attack." What the hell does that even mean? I don't even know what kind of compressor you're using. A short attack on an opto-compressor, for instance, is a very different phenomenon altogether than a short attack on a VCA-based compressor.

And what if your vocals aren't very dynamic to begin with and lack punch? Well, in that case, a short attack ain't gonna' do you a damn bit of good at all now is it?

Alright, then let's move on to ratio. How 'bout I just tell you 4:1. Again -- what the hell does that even mean? If you're using a very transparent-sounding compressor, then 4:1 might be way too mild. And what if the vocal track isn't very dynamic at all in the first place? Shit, then 4:1 would likely be overkill.

I'm telling you guys . . . it's tacky when you ask dumb questions like what settings you should start out with. And I realize I'm not being very nice when I say this, but it kinda' makes you sound like an idiot. And I know you guys aren't idiots, so quit acting like it, okay?

Thanks.

 

[cominginsecond]

You say that posting specific suggestions would make you look like an idiot and that if people ask for them they look like idiots. The truth is, though, pros give these type of suggestions all the time. Countless books have been written that include suggested compressor setting, suggested EQ settings, suggested delay times, etc. Are the people that write these books idiots? Are the people that buy these books idiots?

No.

These people would be idiots if they said that their suggestions were surefire ways to make your recordings sound professional, but few do. They respect their audience enough to make these suggestions with the understanding that if they don't work well for you, you should try something else.

I, for one, have gotten a lot of good mileage out of specific suggestions like these. As I learned more, I was able to tweak or even improve on these suggestions, but, if nothing else, they're a great starting point regardless of what equipment folks have.

With all the dissing you do on Newbies that want specific advice, Chess, it's a wonder you even visit this board at all. Maybe we should just replace this forum with a big banner ad that says "Do whatever sounds best!"

 

[chessrock]

pros give these type of suggestions all the time. Countless books have been written that include suggested compressor setting, suggested EQ settings, suggested delay times, etc. Are the people that write these books idiots?

Some are -- some aren't. They're just trying to sell a few books.

Are the people that buy these books idiots?

If they're buying it in the hopes of finding some useful compressor settings . . . then yes, they probably are idiots.

They respect their audience enough to make these suggestions with the understanding that if they don't work well for you, you should try something else.

Isn't that kinda' like saying . . . oh never mind.

As I learned more, I was able to tweak or even improve on these suggestions.

Now isn't that also kind of like saying . . . never mind, again. I give up.

if nothing else, they're a great starting point.

I'll give you an even better starting point: Try unity or everything at "0."

Maybe we should just replace this forum with a big banner ad that says "Do whatever sounds best!"

. . . And acually give people some useful advice that they could benefit from? Why would we want to do a thing like that?