Getting the ass sound out of POD tracks

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First, you get the ass sound out od a POD by not putting it there in the first place.

Secondly, it needs to be jacked into a clean power amp, and then into a broad spectrum speaker, then mic'd up. The biggest problem with modelers is the way they are used. They are either run DI, which doesn't move air, and basically sucks, or they are jacked into a guitar amp, and the natural tone of the amp fights with the model, which basically sucks. I've had pretty good luck using a Carver PM125 and a Fender wedge monitor.

Hangdawg says:

"And I don't want to hear no clean shit either. Cause if there's one thing they can do have way decent it's clean tones."

Sorry, Hangdawg, I'm steeped in The Who (think Tommy), and clean tones are mostly what I need. I do dial up some stuff for old Rock n' Roll, though, such as Chuck Berry. I confess I've never got decent tone put of the Pod using it DI.

Well, you want clips, so what the hell? They're MP3's, but what can you do?
Check tracks # 11 and 12. They're just short clips. #11 is classic blues with slide lead, and #12 is the dirtiest thing I've got.

http://bardwire.com/reunion.htm

Richie
 
HangDawg said:
Then answer me this. Why won't anybody post some tunes done with their PODs then? I ask and ask and ask. Still no samples. People will tell me how great they are but have nothing to prove it. Why damn it, WHY?


And I don't want to hear no clean shit either. Cause if there's one thing they can do have way decent it's clean tones.
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It's been done....the search function is your friend.

The best part is, in a blind test, very few people can tell the difference between a good mic'd amp track and good modeled amp track.


hehe I posted that before I even read all the stuff Farview and other posted. Good job guys!!
 
it all comes down to what you do with it. If you make good music then I like it ..... if your music sucks then it's the POD/AMP's fault!

Truth is ..... different people get different results from the same gear. I don't like Peavey amps and I really hate modelers live. But I've heard guys get great sound out of Peaveys and I've heard people get decent sounds out of modelers ...... they just don't work for me.
So I think it's a mistake to try and make a blanket statement about any type of gear .... it can really vary a lot as far as the results you get.
 
Lt. Bob said:
it all comes down to what you do with it. If you make good music then I like it ..... if your music sucks then it's the POD/AMP's fault!

Truth is ..... different people get different results from the same gear. I don't like Peavey amps and I really hate modelers live. But I've heard guys get great sound out of Peaveys and I've heard people get decent sounds out of modelers ...... they just don't work for me.
So I think it's a mistake to try and make a blanket statement about any type of gear .... it can really vary a lot as far as the results you get.
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Ima have to roll with this ^

Me and modelers don't get along well but Farview seems to be doing well with his.
 
Duditz said:
Oops my bad. I'll see if I can find them.
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sorry, I would direct you, but I forgot which "i hate POD" thread he posted them in...I think it was the "how can I get mesa sound out of a marshall" or something like that
 
Flaming lips, every guitar track on those songs is from a V-AMP pro, and was recorded direct from the 1/4" line out which I have patched into my patchbay, from there into my Delta 1010 and Cubase.
 
HangDawg said:
Then answer me this. Why won't anybody post some tunes done with their PODs then? I ask and ask and ask. Still no samples. People will tell me how great they are but have nothing to prove it. Why damn it, WHY?


And I don't want to hear no clean shit either. Cause if there's one thing they can do have way decent it's clean tones.
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Link is in my sig.

I use a Pod XT.

I also use a Fender 212 hotrod deville, a carvin vintage 16, and a JC-90, and shitloads of outboard effects/pedals.

Nobody has ever accused me of using fake sounding guitars. While they all might sound more or less like ass, I'd say it has more to do with my (lack of) talent than my gear's ability to generate sounds that work for the song I'm playing - whether "real" or modeled.

In any case, I doubt very much you'll be able to tell me with any accuracy which are "real" and which are not.

Like the DogMan said, whatever gets you to the finish line....
 
chestwick91 said:
could not have said it better myself
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Actually that post was more of a joke toward Hangdawg based on his original response that started a lengthy heated modeller debate in another thread (Making a JCM800 sound like a Mesa). I actually like modellers for what they are and own two of them. I'm more of the mindset they're just another studio tool among many that has its niche and can be quite usefull in the hands of those who take the time to make the most of them. Whether you love them or hate them though, nobody should really be knocking anybody for thier decision to use one or not because nearly every gear has its pros and cons and applications always vary widely amoung users.

So...If your able to get great pro tracks out of a POD, then more power to you! If you find them only usefull for scratch tracks and headphone practice but still get a lot of use out of them for that purpose then it was probably still worth its price! If you'd rather not deal with them at all and feel a real miced tube amp is the only solution for you, then go with that!

But.......If your someone who hates PODS simply because it annoys you that some wizzkid POD user might actaully be getting away with producing convincing enough tracks out of thier bedroom to fool most listeners when you've invested thousands of dollars and years in your studio to authentically achieve the real deal, then you probably just have a small pecker ego and PODS are the least of your problems.

As for the clip, I love seeing that occasional post with a clip attached that shocks people when they learn it was done with a piece of gear they thought sucked: "Wow, you did that with a POD? Through a Behringer? Miced with an MXL990? Holy crap!"

Proving the user behind the gear is always the most important factor
 
Anyone who uses a POD live in a band setting is on crack. NOTHING replaces the way a good tube amp moves air. Recorded however is a different story. Can you get a dual rec to sound better than the POD? Yes. after hours of mic placement, this pre, that eq, yada yada yada, you CAN get the real thing to sound better. With the POd, you have a useable good sound to record within seconds.
 
amra said:
Allright Hangdawg, here are some tracks for you, all guitars were recorded with a V-AMP Pro. For the record, I have 3 tube amps, a 120 watt all tube half stack (a Red Bear), a 100 watt 2x12 Laney, and I just picked up a Epi Valve Junior to mess around with, plus an 80's randall solid state, so I have options.

On a couple of these tracks, this screamo band came into my "studio" ( and I use the term loosely) with an MG100 to record, which sounded like fried ass. I'll be damned if I was going to burn up my tubes recording them for next to nothing as a favor, so I gave them the choice between their own setup and the V-AMP Pro. Compared to the sound they were getting from their MG, the V-AMP Pro was a big improvement, so they went that way and loved the sound. Other than situations like that, I use it for doing song concepts,etc.

Now I am not saying these are the cats fucking meow, but the guitar tone on these is definitely up to snuff with most mic'ed amp people are posting around here.

Only the Innocent

Regret is In

X-Caliber

And two of my song concepts;

Fleshwound

Fantasy Fuel
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The first 3 aren't bad. Especially being faced with what you described. Those last 2 don't sound natural.
 
Flamin Lip said:
AMRA

Nice thick sound on your 2 tunes....... Nothing lacking there! Those are really POD tracks?
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That's just it. Too me they sound unbelievably thick, not natural. It sounds synthetic.
 
I get a thick tone like that with my tube amps, and even solid state as well. It is kinda my thing. The trick is to double or triple track with different amps and cabs, or in this case amp simulations that complement each other to build that heavy layered tone. I can get the same effect with tracking with 2 or 3 different amps and cabs, the key is to not try to make them all sound alike. Go for different tones with each one, just make sure they gel.

It's just that micing and tweaking 3 different amps and cabs is a lot to do for a song concept that might never get recorded for real, that's where amp simulators come in. I can get that layered tone or close enough so that the concept of the song comes through, with the heavy layered guitar sound that i dig.

P.S.
I just realized that the link for fleshwound was wrong, it should have been this:
Fleshwound
 
joeydego said:
Recorded however is a different story. Can you get a dual rec to sound better than the POD? Yes. after hours of mic placement, this pre, that eq, yada yada yada, you CAN get the real thing to sound better. With the POd, you have a useable good sound to record within seconds.
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Ummmmmm NO. Just the opposite for me.
 
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