Getting the ass sound out of POD tracks

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Farview said:
YOu can tweak a dual rec, the road king is even better about that. There is still know way to make it sound like a Bogner, Dumble, Marshall, Silvertone, AC-30, etc.... It will always sound like a version of the dual rec.

Newer tube amps are not 'one trick ponies' like old amps were, but they are still only so maliable.
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Very true.......
 
Farview said:
Here, I can't leave this smippet up forever because the album isn't done (Those are still scratch bass parts and it obviously isn't mixed), but this should give you an idea.

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That sounds good. Is that just a POD?
 
Farview said:
Here, I can't leave this smippet up forever because the album isn't done (Those are still scratch bass parts and it obviously isn't mixed), but this should give you an idea.

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Whatever it is, I'll take it... :D
 
HangDawg said:
That sounds good. Is that just a POD?
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One guitar track on the left, one on the right. The scratch bass is run through a bass pod. Just pods straight in, no EQ, no compression in the mix.
 
hangdawg, you say you never heard good tone from line six, while last week someone gave you that link:

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/...-convolution-today.html?highlight=impulse+pod

please just don't say everything you've heard from it was crap, it was only last week..... + farview mp3.....

by the way, I don't have nor tried line6, I just don't like when someone puts his hands on his ears and starts singing real bad and loud and say he has never heard what was just said :D
 
Farview said:
Any real amp will only give you the (usually only) sound it wants to give you. Once you have twiddled the knobs for a couple minutes, you have run out of options.

No amount of knob twisting will make a fander sound like a marshall.
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I think anyone with any common sense wouldn't expect to get a marshall sound from a fender. I agree that alot of the older amps are one trick ponies but more often than not, that one trick is damn nice.
 
TravisinFlorida said:
I think anyone with any common sense wouldn't expect to get a marshall sound from a fender. I agree that alot of the older amps are one trick ponies but more often than not, that one trick is damn nice.
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Yes, but if you only can afford one amp and it isn't the one you need, you're fucked.

I played guitar for 20 years, I can think of 2 times where a Fender amp would have been perfect for what I was trying to do. That's why I didn't have one. I was fucked.

I got rid of my Marshalls and got Laneys because I couldn't get the clean sound I wanted out of a Marshall.

It was always a compromise. Even with unlimited resources, hauling around a guitar rig that consists of 5 amps and a switching system is insane....thus the compromise of tube amps.
 
Farview said:
Yes, but if you only can afford one amp and it isn't the one you need, you're fucked.
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Care to share what kind of stuff is on that POD setting? I've got some decent presets, but definitely nothing that good. :D
 
I think that hangdawg must have got beaten up by a POD as a kid or something, the way he grudges against it! Yes, Mesa has some great gear..... a bit more hype than reality as far as my tonal oppinion goes, but to each their own. But from the fact that you mention yr Boogie and its awesome mod 3 times a day here, I wonder how much experience you have with other amps out there to make a blanket statement that PODs universally suck.

You just seem like a small minded hater going after a piece of gear like that. Drum machines sound like ass compared to real drums, but there is some amazing sequenced/sampled drum music out there that make it worth while.

To make the blanket statement that PODs always sound like ass overlooks the fact that they can be a great tool for inspiration, tonal chaos, and a decent resemblance of existing tones. I dont have any modelers, but I have always had fun tweeking em.

Bottom line? Lets all try to create original tones instead of immitating something thats been done before!!!!! What good does it do bagging on an innovative product!
 
Dogman said:
Care to share what kind of stuff is on that POD setting? I've got some decent presets, but definitely nothing that good. :D
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Spinal puppet, vetta compressor, EMG 85 pickups.

The guitarist would kill me if I gave out the actual settings. (even though I dialed it in) He wouldn't be too happy if he found out I posted an excerpt of an unfinished song from an unreleased album. I just wanted to prove the point.
 
Farview said:
Spinal puppet, vetta compressor, EMG 85 pickups.

The guitarist would kill me if I gave out the actual settings. (even though I dialed it in) He wouldn't be too happy if he found out I posted an excerpt of an unfinished song from an unreleased album. I just wanted to prove the point.
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All's I can say is, it sounds pretty nice. I obviously could never play that well, or mix something that good, but it's always nice to hear.... :D

Thanks man.
 
Allright Hangdawg, here are some tracks for you, all guitars were recorded with a V-AMP Pro. For the record, I have 3 tube amps, a 120 watt all tube half stack (a Red Bear), a 100 watt 2x12 Laney, and I just picked up a Epi Valve Junior to mess around with, plus an 80's randall solid state, so I have options.

On a couple of these tracks, this screamo band came into my "studio" ( and I use the term loosely) with an MG100 to record, which sounded like fried ass. I'll be damned if I was going to burn up my tubes recording them for next to nothing as a favor, so I gave them the choice between their own setup and the V-AMP Pro. Compared to the sound they were getting from their MG, the V-AMP Pro was a big improvement, so they went that way and loved the sound. Other than situations like that, I use it for doing song concepts,etc.

Now I am not saying these are the cats fucking meow, but the guitar tone on these is definitely up to snuff with most mic'ed amp people are posting around here.

Only the Innocent

Regret is In

X-Caliber

And two of my song concepts;

Fleshwound

Fantasy Fuel
 
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amra said:
Allright Hangdawg, here are some tracks for you, all guitars were recorded with a V-AMP Pro. For the record, I have 3 tube amps, a 120 watt all tube half stack (a Red Bear), a 100 watt 2x12 Laney, and I just picked up a Epi Valve Junior to mess around with, plus an 80's randall solid state, so I have options.

On a couple of these tracks, this screamo band came into my "studio" ( and I use the term loosely) with an MG100 to record, which sounded like fried ass. I'll be damned if I was going to burn up my tubes recording them for next to nothing as a favor, so I gave them the choice between their own setup and the V-AMP Pro. Compared to the sound they were getting from their MG, the V-AMP Pro was a big improvement, so they went that way and loved the sound. Other than situations like that, I use it for doing song concepts,etc.

Now I am not saying these are the cats fucking meow, but the guitar tone on these is definitely up to snuff with most mic'ed amp people are posting around here.

Only the Innocent

Regret is In

X-Caliber

And two of my song concepts;

Fleshwound

Fantasy Fuel
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To me, those all fit within the song well...and that's what matters.

I got a real amp a few months back, and am very happy with it. Still don't have all the particulars down with mic'ing it properly, and editing the sound to fit tunes yet, but it is a blast to play when you want to feel the noise. :D
 
AMRA

Nice thick sound on your 2 tunes....... Nothing lacking there! Those are really POD tracks?
 
Flamin Lip said:
AMRA

Nice thick sound on your 2 tunes....... Nothing lacking there! Those are really POD tracks?
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Why do people have such a hard time believing that you can get a good sound out of a pod? It really isn't all that difficult.
 
Farview said:
Why do people have such a hard time believing that you can get a good sound out of a pod? It really isn't all that difficult.
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By the way Farview, I don't think this was mentioned...I assume you are not recording direct from the POD right? I mean, you are sending it through an amp of some kind and then micing up a cab no? Or what do you usually do when you record with the POD??
 
rgraves said:
By the way Farview, I don't think this was mentioned...I assume you are not recording direct from the POD right? I mean, you are sending it through an amp of some kind and then micing up a cab no? Or what do you usually do when you record with the POD??
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No, I plugged the pod's line output into a line input and recorded it. This is completely 100% direct.
 
I was only using the left output of the pod, the average level into Nuendo was about -18dbfs. I used the Motu 24i/o interface. There are two performances, one on the left and one on the right.

The bass was recorded through a bass pod directly into a Roland VS-2480. (these are scratch tracks left over from the demo, we haven't recorded the real bass tracks yet)

The vocals were recorded through a Cascade mic that John at Massive Mastering gave me. (he got it free for buying too much stuff at some online store) I used a Langevin DVC and a Pro VLA on the way in.

The drums are a combination of Rock Drum samples and live mics. The overheads are SM81's and the hat and ride mics are octava Mk012's

That's pretty much it.
 
Dogman said:
To me, those all fit within the song well...and that's what matters.
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That's really the key. Things have to fit in the mix. I've got several tube amps and love em. But I don't have 40 tube amps. :mad: so that's where modelers come in handy. People complain often about their modeler sounding thin or fuzzy. You have to work with them and I've had to use a little EQ here and there but generally I don't have to do that. They have their place and they are very convenient.
 
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