Gating drum bleed

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I just recently bought a firepod, and I'm finally able to multi-track my drums. Up until now, I ran each mic into a mixer, and from the mixer I ran a L and R output to the two inputs of my US-122. Thats all i could do, but it worked pretty good. Anyway, now that I'm able to multi-track the drums, I'm wondering if anyone gates the bleed out of each tom track, or do they leave it. Is there any benefit to doing this? I've been playing with it, and I think it sounds better with the bleed in the mix, but I'm also not using any overheads - yet. I'll be buying some condensers for this soon.

So 5 individual drum mics plus 2 overheads will pick up a lot of sound. I'm thinking that once I have the overheads, gating the bleed out of each tom track may be a good thing to cut down on some of the 'room'. Does anyone do this?
 
Yea i own the firepod also and I had to learn how to make each mic sound well. I usually will gate the toms and snare. Toms can be tricky tho if there are light hits on them. Experiment with gating tho cuz i def get a much better/tighter sound with certain drums gated.
 
I usually use a gate on the snare if there is too much hi-hat bleed though I rarely gate all the way. Sometimes I'll gate the kick. I usually leave the tom mics alone. Whenever I want to use a compressor on individual drum mics, I'll usually gate them first.
 
My apologies if I come off as an a-hole, but in my years of experience, the best gate is your microphone... HUH?

Really, think about it... The extra time you spend on precise mic positioning will pay back a tenfold in the mixing stage. Try to avoid too much bleed at the get-go. Also a little bleed is good. Bleed can be your best friend. It will make your drumkit sound like it should: as one single instrument and not as a collection of toms and copper or messing dishes...
If you experiment a bit, you will notice that there are certain mic positions where the bleed is minimal, as are the phase issues and when you pull the faders up in the control room, the drum sounds very natural and pleasing.

Again my experience, but try not to over-focus on individual tom sounds. Again, the drumkit is one single instrument. You don't focus on the sound of individual snares when micing an acoustic guitar, do you?

That bein said, when the damage is done and you need to fix it, a good DAW can be a life saver. Instead of gating, try this: select the 'silence' parts in the track (where there's only bleed) and either use a gain plugin to lower the gain by 3-4 dB, depending on how much bleed there is (e.g. in ProTools you would use the 'Gain' AudioSuite plugin) or use volume automation to lower the output level. That way you don't have the unnatural abrupt silences between the hits and your drumkit will have a more natural sound.

As always, YMMV and all that jazz...

Cheers
Arthur
 
Personally, I mix the drums first and then apply gates where necessary. Placement is certainly helpful, but no matter what mics you use and how you place them, sometimes gates are key to the sound you are after.

First, I usually end up with gates on a kick drum. This gate is not used to block bleed form other mics, but to help contain the resopnance of the drum itself so it is not "humming" when not being played.

Second, I rarely gate snare drums. Usually the snare drum contains too much energy from other drums and when gated, you can hear your drum mix change every time it is opened and closed.

Third, toms usually end up with some sort of gate. Arthur reccomended taking all of the sections between hits and manually reducing them. This seems pretyt silly with a DAW since most any decent gate will do this as well without the tedious repetition and unantural gain changing that a manual edit creates. Too mnay people think of a gate as being a mute and unmute device. They can be set up like this, but that is just the tip of the iceburg with any decent gate. Most gates have a control that you can set to manipulate just how much gain reduction the gate is apllying when the trigger is closed. You can set them form just a couple of db of gain reduction, or 15 db, or infinite etc... By using this in conjunction with attack and release settings you can make the volume sweels sound much more natural and minimize how much the single channel gate is affecting the cymbals, snare etc... of your whole mix. You can also use these three settings with your threshold to change the "timbre" of the tom shot. You can set it with a very fast attack, fairly high threshold, a lot of reduction and a pretty quick decay to get a very aggressive attack on the toms with not much decay (often works well with heavier drum sounds). You could also try a lower threshold (more natural) with a bit of a slower attack and longer release and about 6 to 12 db of gain reduction to get a smoother more rounded tom sound that has a lot of decay and less emphasis on the stick shot, and more emphasis on the resonance. This works great with slower stuff. A big part of the reason that I often end up gating toms is the same as the kick drum.... to minimize the volume of the "shell wobble" in the mix. Take a listen to your tom track solo'ed sometime. Notice how every time the kick and often even the snare is hit that the tom itself will start to produce a note. This is almost like a small false trigger of the tom itself. The physical vibration of playing certain drums (especially when played hard enough) often vibrates the other drums and heads enough for them to resonate their shells and produce a small note. When mixing big rock drums this can often result in a chorus of mush that is very distracting. With some styles though a little of this is desirable, depending on the drummer, the style of music, how well the drums are tuned, and just how that extra ring fits the mix. I see it as being similar to string squeaks on an acoustic. Often times it is something desirable, but quite often it may be a little much and need some sort of reduction.
 
Xstatic, you nailed precisely what I'm hearing. My floor tom 'rings' while playing the rest of the kit. I can't hear it while playing, but its coming through the mic. I've been jacking with it this morning, and gating just the floor tom seems to clean up the 'noise' I'm hearing. I gated the kick as well for a punchier sound.

Thanks everyone for the info and ideas. I'm just gonna keep messing with it and see what sounds good. :)
 
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