Gain and NOISE problems with DAV BG1?

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Gain and NOISE problems with DAV BG1

My young neice is looking for a simple preamp to complete her home recording system. It doesn’t have to be super high quality or flash just something to improve on her behringer mixer preamps that’s when I thought of the DAV BG1 . However I’ve been reading mixed reports about gain problems and noise problems on these preamps. Is there anything around that will be more reliable and won’t have these problems? Like the Grace preamp possibly ?or the EH preamp?
Has anybody compared the two? I do not want her to waste her money on the DAV if it is crap.
Thanks to anyone who has the advice or can recommend a proper preamp.
 
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I'm no expert on this stuff but reading alot about various preamps the True Systems P-SOLO seems to have alot of admirers. It's a proven system condensed into an affordable single channel unit.

http://www.true-systems.com/products_solo.html

And I don't recall any complaints of the type you mention about the BG1, most are pretty happy with it.
 
I hope Big Ray doesn't get a hold of you man............
 
Dont pay attention to lies, the DAV is top of the shelf. If you dont believe me, buy one, and if you think it is too "noisy" or dont like it..I will buy it from you...

Gain and noise? The only thing that people might think is an issue is the stepped gain. Noise? The DAV has no noise issues.It was built to be extremely low noise, even with massive amounts of gain.. Having used it along side (and now, instead of)DACS/GML/Gordon/Grace/Millennia/Apogee...Ive never read about any issues with the BG-1 period..every body that has bought them loves them. Im not sure what you are reading, but I think you werent paying attention to the name of the preamp that was being reviewed.

DAV and Crap dont belong in the same sentance, chief. Ask Mark Knopfler ,the Chicago Symphony, David Gilmour, Classic Sound.net, Ealing Mobile Recordings, Decca Records.....It is world class and nothing less.

EH??Are you serious? The grace is ok, but sounds a little mechanical comparatively...or "thin"

Whats up with the SPAM coming out of the woodworks??Anybody considering those preamps(DAV), pay no attention to these lies. Do a search on Gearslutz, Recording.org, 3daudio, etc.. Not liking the sound is one thing, but claiming noise issues is entirely another. Fabrications.

noise level from a BG No 1 or 2 with 32 dB of gain is 25 micro volts[ -110 dB ref +20dBu] with the input loaded with 150 ohms...I doubt seriously that those figures would be issues...








John Berry said:
My young neice is looking for a simple preamp to complete her home recording system. It doesn’t have to be super high quality or flash just something to improve on her behringer mixer preamps that’s when I thought of the DAV BG1 . However I’ve been reading mixed reports about gain problems and noise problems on these preamps. Is there anything around that will be more reliable and won’t have these problems? Like the Grace preamp possibly ?or the EH preamp?
Has anybody compared the two? I do not want her to waste her money on the DAV if it is crap.
Thanks to anyone who has the advice or can recommend a proper preamp.
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John Berry said:
reliable and won’t have these problems
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Post links to these threads please. I suspect any issues are NOT from the DAV....maybe the stepped gain bothers some people. You do hear exactly what your source material and mics sound like, so if they are garbage, itll show. The DAVs noise specs are well below that of any microphone (and most preamps)

Teddy
 
xstatic said:
Well, a mission at any rate:D
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Hey now! :p The lure gets us all eventually. Look at me, a guy who in the past was drawn to boutique pres and big pricetags...now im a born again DAV head. Come to the light, brother. :D
 
The grace is ok, but sounds a little mechanical comparatively...or "thin"
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That is NOT true at all. the Grace preamp is a very high quality design (much higher quality and quieter than the noisey BG1) . i would not call the Grace thin by any means.Shame on you for putting down the grace .If you need a high quality preamp why not check out the RNP?
RNP
It has a lower noise floor than the DAV and sells for almost half the price.
 
Just for the record: Once I bought my DAV BG-1, I sold my Grace 201.

I have no idea where these "mixed reports" of gain and noise problems are coming from. Probably user error or misinformation. The words "crap" and BG-1 belong as far apart from each other as can be humanly imagined.

Rodger, calling the BG-1 noisy is just shameless, a complete falsehood.

My BG-1 sounds spectacular, plenty of gain, no noise, great sound. I do music and recording full time for a living and I use the BG-1 on a regular basis--I can't give it a better recommendation than that. It's a high quality unit, and the low price is just the icing on the cake.

John, in my opinion your niece can buy this with complete confidence. You always have to leave room for personal taste, but on a technical level this is a fine preamp.
 
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Hah! I'm beginning to believe you and I are twins seperated at birth, just that I'm the slow one :)

I have a Grace 101, and just got the DAV BG1. I have encountered NONE of the issues being reported irresponsibly third hand by certain parties here.

IMHO, I'm keeping the DAV, and will probably sell my Grace. Not ithat it's a bad preamp, it's actually a nice pre, but I have no justification to carry too many pres.

So, if anyone here is looking for a nice pre, I'm looking to sell my Grace :) IO'll give you a great deal.


SonicAlbert said:
Just for the record: Once I bought my DAV BG-1, I sold my Grace 201.

I have no idea where these "mixed reports" of gain and noise problems are coming from. Probably user error or misinformation. The words "crap" and BG-1 belong as far apart from each other as can be humanly imagined.

Rodger, calling the BG-1 noisy is just shameless, a complete falsehood.

My BG-1 sounds spectacular, plenty of gain, no noise, great sound. I do music and recording full time for a living and I use the BG-1 on a regular basis--I can't give it a better recommendation than that. It's a high quality unit, and the low price is just the icing on the cake.

John, in my opinion your niece can buy this with complete confidence.
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Rodger Hartlett said:
That is NOT true at all. the Grace preamp is a very high quality design (much higher quality and quieter than the noisey BG1) . i would not call the Grace thin by any means.Shame on you for putting down the grace .If you need a high quality preamp why not check out the RNP?
RNP
It has a lower noise floor than the DAV and sells for almost half the price.
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I agree. I own the Grace and find it to be one clean and transparent pre
and is more than capable of provide a clean translation of any signal run thru it!
 
I should say that I like Grace preamps and am certainly not as down on them as Big Ray is. They are well made and sound excellent in my opinion, especially the 201/801 (which are a bit different than the 101). It's just that like fraserhutch I don't need to bulk up on preamps right now, and I really do like the BG-1 sound better for what I do.
 
What I state is subjective. In my opinion, having OWNED various grace designs products, they sound thin and mechanical. (v2, v3, used 201 ,etc).

As for the noise..have you HEARD or are you going by specs alone???Specs in a book dont mean dick. NO noise from the DAV even at high gain..

Thanks for reccomending me a pre, but im a big boy and have the budget to buy whatever I want. I chose 16 channels of DAV over millennia, DACS, GML, and others after *gasp* OWNING and LISTENING to them. Not reading specs and posting untruths.

Good lookin out though :rolleyes:

Dont tell me what is or is not true about a sound. I hear what I hear..Once again, ive OWNED grace products..Ill say whatever I choose about them.



Rodger Hartlett said:
That is NOT true at all. the Grace preamp is a very high quality design (much higher quality and quieter than the noisey BG1) . i would not call the Grace thin by any means.Shame on you for putting down the grace .If you need a high quality preamp why not check out the RNP?
RNP
It has a lower noise floor than the DAV and sells for almost half the price.
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Hmmmm... am I paranoid? This looks suspicious to me. The OP has 1 post. This thread began this morning, after ther other current DAV thread had someone trying to bash the pre with second hand quotes and getting challenged. Same guy maybe?

Tim
 
BigRay said:
What I state is subjective. In my opinion, having OWNED various grace designs products, they sound thin and mechanical. (v2, v3, used 201 ,etc).

As for the noise..have you HEARD or are you going by specs alone???Specs in a book dont mean dick. NO noise from the DAV even at high gain..

Thanks for reccomending me a pre, but im a big boy and have the budget to buy whatever I want. I chose 16 channels of DAV over millennia, DACS, GML, and others after *gasp* OWNING and LISTENING to them. Not reading specs and posting untruths.

Good lookin out though :rolleyes:

Dont tell me what is or is not true about a sound. I hear what I hear..Once again, ive OWNED grace products..Ill say whatever I choose about them.
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BigRay is absolutely correct! He has every RIGHT to state his OPINION!
 
Looks fishy, I agree. Roger Hartlett pushes the RNP like there is no tommorow, so I wouldnt be surprised if it were him.

Timothy Lawler said:
Hmmmm... am I paranoid? This looks suspicious to me. The OP has 1 post. This thread began this morning, after ther other current DAV thread had someone trying to bash the pre with second hand quotes and getting challenged. Same guy maybe?

Tim
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Not to say that grace products are bad...they are well built and Mike has a good reputation for customer service, they just werent my cup of tea.
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BigRay is absolutely correct! He has every RIGHT to state his OPINION!
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John Berry said:
My young neice is looking for a simple preamp to complete her home recording system. It doesn’t have to be super high quality or flash just something to improve on her behringer mixer preamps that’s when I thought of the DAV BG1 . However I’ve been reading mixed reports about gain problems and noise problems on these preamps. Is there anything around that will be more reliable and won’t have these problems? Like the Grace preamp possibly ?or the EH preamp?
Has anybody compared the two? I do not want her to waste her money on the DAV if it is crap.
Thanks to anyone who has the advice or can recommend a proper preamp.
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No problems here. It was my blunder.
 
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