moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
Ok, we'll see you then! 
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shawn gibson
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Redundant dunce post...see below
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shawn gibson
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shawn gibson said:ha ha...
Well it worked
How do you set things up so that when I press play in Sonar, or stop, it alone controls the playback of the Fruity Loops Track? Right now, I have to press play on both of them, and if I put a MIDI track into the Sonar song and hit play, that track plays out of time with the FL song that's DXi'ed into it...i.e., the midi just plays from the start (or wherever) and the FL track doesn't sync up with it....
Oh yeah, I'm buying this today after work, unless someone tells me for the same money I can get something different and, in your opinion, better: http://www.edirol.com/products/info/pcr30.html
Shawn
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shawn gibson
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oops
sorry...
sorry...
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
I know there's some old posts in this forum about that... Do a search.
If they doesen't turn up, talk to Paul881. He's done it successfully (I think).
If they doesen't turn up, talk to Paul881. He's done it successfully (I think).
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shawn gibson
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For Paul881 - FLoops into Sonar -?
moskus said you may be able to help with this, so, I'm a askin...
I almost got Sonar and Fruity Loops communicating, with Directixer for now...but, I'm getting feedback and distortion (not levels, but maybe MIDI stupidity on my part, loops or something...).
I have VERY basic needs out of Sonar right now: get my FL tracks in there, and record a couple of real guitar tracks into it. The FL stuff has to remain editable, and I expect to be using just basic DXi effects in Sonar in the mix--everything is done in FL except the guitars and the final mix (basically, reverb and panning, the simple stuff).
Would you (or someone) be able to tell me how to set this up, I'm getting very frustrated since I have tried every possible combination and I get either distorted input from FL when I bring it in to Sonar, or I get nothing at all.
I am brand new to MIDI, so what may be obvious is just not making it into my brain...
Thanks very much,
Shawn
moskus said you may be able to help with this, so, I'm a askin...
I almost got Sonar and Fruity Loops communicating, with Directixer for now...but, I'm getting feedback and distortion (not levels, but maybe MIDI stupidity on my part, loops or something...).
I have VERY basic needs out of Sonar right now: get my FL tracks in there, and record a couple of real guitar tracks into it. The FL stuff has to remain editable, and I expect to be using just basic DXi effects in Sonar in the mix--everything is done in FL except the guitars and the final mix (basically, reverb and panning, the simple stuff).
Would you (or someone) be able to tell me how to set this up, I'm getting very frustrated since I have tried every possible combination and I get either distorted input from FL when I bring it in to Sonar, or I get nothing at all.
I am brand new to MIDI, so what may be obvious is just not making it into my brain...
Thanks very much,
Shawn
Paul881
Look Mom, I can play!
Yeah, I got FL to run from within Sonar using fxpansion, (good memory Moskus) but it wasn't entirely without incident. Even using win xp and a powerful 1.7 Gig machine, there were timing problems and numerous drop-outs. In FL there is a check box somewhere that says something like "use sequencer as master" or similar. That is after you have opened FL in Sonar as a VST. And then make sure your timings on both programs are set the same. There were also some irritating presentation issues to do with seeing FL at the same time as your Track view in Sonar, as the transport buttons didn't always work properly.
Personally, I'm waiting for the new Sonar fxpansion product to be issued, I am sure that a lot of these issues would be cleared up by 12 tones. But go ahead, have some fun, you might have more luck.
I haven't tried DirectiXer. The advantage that DirectiXer has is that it records to several tracks at once. Alledgedly
Personally, I'm waiting for the new Sonar fxpansion product to be issued, I am sure that a lot of these issues would be cleared up by 12 tones. But go ahead, have some fun, you might have more luck.
I haven't tried DirectiXer. The advantage that DirectiXer has is that it records to several tracks at once. Alledgedly
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
Of course, it's me!Paul881 said:
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shawn gibson
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Tried to post yesterday, but I crashed.
Thanks Paul881, I got it working now
I find FL so much faster than Sonar for basic Midi and for effects...adding the VSTs into FL is such a breeze.
Sonar has a huge learning curve...the console is driving me bananas. I only want a mixer and audio/real guitar other than FL, maybe Sonar is overkill...
Would a Tascam US-224 help me with the Midi knowledge I'm lacking? I mean, if I could get outboard gear that put all the Midi functions behind real knobs, I'd probably get farther faster.
If that's actually the case, what other external controllers help to 'hide' the Midi part of Midi recording? I'm using an Edirol PCR-30 as a keyboard controller...
Shawn
Thanks Paul881, I got it working now
I find FL so much faster than Sonar for basic Midi and for effects...adding the VSTs into FL is such a breeze.
Sonar has a huge learning curve...the console is driving me bananas. I only want a mixer and audio/real guitar other than FL, maybe Sonar is overkill...
Would a Tascam US-224 help me with the Midi knowledge I'm lacking? I mean, if I could get outboard gear that put all the Midi functions behind real knobs, I'd probably get farther faster.
If that's actually the case, what other external controllers help to 'hide' the Midi part of Midi recording? I'm using an Edirol PCR-30 as a keyboard controller...
Shawn
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shawn gibson
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Gosh darnit you just might be correct!!!
Thanks moskus!
OK then, what is so much better about Sonar??? Serious question, is it just more inputs or something?
Thanks moskus!
OK then, what is so much better about Sonar??? Serious question, is it just more inputs or something?
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
Sonar has much more options like envelopes, mixing midi and audio, connecting to external hardware, Input Monitoring, etc...
If you know how to use Sonar (or any of the 'big three'), you'll get much more out of it (IMHO). I tried multitracking in CoolEdit, and NO WAY I was sticking to that!
If you know how to use Sonar (or any of the 'big three'), you'll get much more out of it (IMHO). I tried multitracking in CoolEdit, and NO WAY I was sticking to that!
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shawn gibson
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Originally posted by moskus
Sonar has much more options like envelopes
I use the white ones you gotta lick, still, so not sure about the advantage there? It's for things like changing levels automatically during a mixdown, right?
mixing midi and audio
Does that mean FL Studio won't allow me to mix-down to a master (like an MP3 that I can burn to CD) including the guitar and all the computer drums/bass/synth/and FL effects?
connecting to external hardware
The only hardware I'm expecting to use is my Edirol controller (which works in FL now) and maybe as Tascam US-224. Does that mean I'm covered?
Sorry for the dumb q's, I just want this to fly really well...thanks moskus!
Shawn
Sonar has much more options like envelopes
I use the white ones you gotta lick, still, so not sure about the advantage there? It's for things like changing levels automatically during a mixdown, right?
mixing midi and audio
Does that mean FL Studio won't allow me to mix-down to a master (like an MP3 that I can burn to CD) including the guitar and all the computer drums/bass/synth/and FL effects?
connecting to external hardware
The only hardware I'm expecting to use is my Edirol controller (which works in FL now) and maybe as Tascam US-224. Does that mean I'm covered?
Sorry for the dumb q's, I just want this to fly really well...thanks moskus!
Shawn
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
And everything that can either be automated by DX8 or have MIDI CC's...shawn gibson said:
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shawn gibson
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Crappy, SavedByTechnology hasn't even heard of it yet. I know it's an April release, hope that means they get it in April.
Then again, in Canada, that might mean April 2004
Then again, in Canada, that might mean April 2004
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
But since you have payed for Sonar already, I wouldn't give up on it right away...
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shawn gibson
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I didn't pay for Sonar yet. I don't pay for things until I like them and right now I'm still new to this, doing freeware/shareware/stupid freaking cazaa-virus-mother-freaker.
I check out what works for me, then I buy it. Maybe my computer doesn't work well for that reason (the kazza???). I've never had problems with my computer till I decided to start this studio stuff.
I actually had Sonar included in a deal I made with a 'friend' (yeah right...), and it installed OK, but it never worked, so I went to Kazaa...maybe that's the problem I'm having with it? (Nope, it's my own Midi-idiocy)
Maybe this is why I'm trying so hard to NOT understand Sonar...it's a lot more expensive than even the new Fruity Loops Studio will (probably) be. This costs a lot of money, I still NEED: POD XT (next cheque), good sound card, Edirol (bought on Friday already)), guitar (bought but not got yet), a mixer (US-224 I think), plus all the software...I don't want to make the wrong choice of software after all that money...since it's the 'core' of what I'm doing.
Hope that makes sense?
I check out what works for me, then I buy it. Maybe my computer doesn't work well for that reason (the kazza???). I've never had problems with my computer till I decided to start this studio stuff.
I actually had Sonar included in a deal I made with a 'friend' (yeah right...), and it installed OK, but it never worked, so I went to Kazaa...maybe that's the problem I'm having with it? (Nope, it's my own Midi-idiocy)
Maybe this is why I'm trying so hard to NOT understand Sonar...it's a lot more expensive than even the new Fruity Loops Studio will (probably) be. This costs a lot of money, I still NEED: POD XT (next cheque), good sound card, Edirol (bought on Friday already)), guitar (bought but not got yet), a mixer (US-224 I think), plus all the software...I don't want to make the wrong choice of software after all that money...since it's the 'core' of what I'm doing.
Hope that makes sense?
Paul881
Look Mom, I can play!
Shawn, a couple of points. First, its not a good idea to admit on the BB that you have got your Sonar package from Kazaar. People here have paid for their software and get mighty touchy about others who use cracked software. And as yopu are finding, cracked software causes all sorts of difficulties in your system (its bad enough with the real software)
Secondly. are you trying to rush all of this? It takes people months and years to get a solid system together. Start small and then build. If you want to save money, try Home Studio 2002. Its a cut down version of Sonar and has some limitations like it will only record onto two tracks simultaneously, but if you are recording one track at a time, thats easy to live with. And its much cheaper than Sonar. Check out the Cakewalk web site:
http://www.cakewalk.com/ You can always upgrade to Sonar later for less money than you would have paid if you had bought Sonar straight out.
You might also like to re-consider if you need a mixer. Generally, you only need a mixer if you are recording many instruments/inputs at the same time, or are trying to record sub groups like a 5 mic drum kit. Most people here don't have a mixer, and if they do, its usually a legacy from BC (Before Computers )
So take your time and build your system at a speed that matches your learning curve.
Secondly. are you trying to rush all of this? It takes people months and years to get a solid system together. Start small and then build. If you want to save money, try Home Studio 2002. Its a cut down version of Sonar and has some limitations like it will only record onto two tracks simultaneously, but if you are recording one track at a time, thats easy to live with. And its much cheaper than Sonar. Check out the Cakewalk web site:
http://www.cakewalk.com/ You can always upgrade to Sonar later for less money than you would have paid if you had bought Sonar straight out.
You might also like to re-consider if you need a mixer. Generally, you only need a mixer if you are recording many instruments/inputs at the same time, or are trying to record sub groups like a 5 mic drum kit. Most people here don't have a mixer, and if they do, its usually a legacy from BC (Before Computers
)So take your time and build your system at a speed that matches your learning curve.
moskus
The Creator of Æ, Ø and Å
This is a stupid excuse, and you know it!shawn gibson said:
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shawn gibson
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What do you mean? What part? My ignorance or shopping around before I purchase? My ignorance is my own fault, as I'm new at it, but I've been reading the help file and the forum here and I bought Cakewalk Sonar Plug-Ins & PC Music Recording, Arrangement, and Mixing. Obviously, I still need more books, experience, etc.
As far as shopping around is concerned, it's like the equivalent of software rental. With a lot of the expensive software like Sonar, many of the features are disabled in the trial versions, so it's like renting a guitar with only 3 strings - how can you tell if it's something you want to buy if it is only semi-functional?
I know people frown on kazaa, and I do to for the same reasons, but some of us use it for legitimate testing of products before purchasing. As for downloading shareware and trial versions, that's also perfectly reasonable to me, part of the shopping process. I've gone through a lot of software in the last few weeks trying to see what I want, what I like, etc., and I've currently narrowed it down to 2 products, so I think what I'm saying makes sense...?
Shawn
As far as shopping around is concerned, it's like the equivalent of software rental. With a lot of the expensive software like Sonar, many of the features are disabled in the trial versions, so it's like renting a guitar with only 3 strings - how can you tell if it's something you want to buy if it is only semi-functional?
I know people frown on kazaa, and I do to for the same reasons, but some of us use it for legitimate testing of products before purchasing. As for downloading shareware and trial versions, that's also perfectly reasonable to me, part of the shopping process. I've gone through a lot of software in the last few weeks trying to see what I want, what I like, etc., and I've currently narrowed it down to 2 products, so I think what I'm saying makes sense...?
Shawn