For those interested in analog summing...

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at what point ( price tag ) does it become feasable to do good analog summing compared to mixing in the box? Basically how much do I have to spend on a mixer ( what kind? ) for it to be worth while to do analog summing?
 
I prefer my Mackie's 8-buss analog summing to Cubase SX's digital summing....
 
I prefer my Allen & Heath's 8-buss analog summing to Cubase VST 32's digital summing....
 
One of these days I'm going to do an A/B comparison between analong summing (via mackie) and digital summing (via protools). I have all the equipment to do so, I'm just lazy.
 
please do! :) I'd love to hear what you come with. Or possibly post the A/B comparison. I'm also very interested (this may be off topic) in A/B comparisons between digital software summing.

For example, the same mix summed within Sonar and then Samplitude.
 
I've done informal A/B comparisons between Pro Tools and 2 mixers: 1 a lower-end Alesis Studio 24 and the other a nice Soundtracs Solo Midi 8 bus. The most I can get with my system is 16 outputs, so I had to do some submixing- typically by just assigning multiple tracks to the same output.

For the A/B tests that I did, I did all of the mixing and automation in Pro Tools and set the faders on the mixers at unity. I then recreated the pan settings on the mixer.

Even though the Alesis, the mixs had a wider stereo field. It was pretty obvious that it sounded different, but it would be subjective to call it "better." I liked it better but I couldn't really describe why. It sounded meatier for some reason.

It a whole new ball game when using the analog EQ's! Man do they sound nice compared to the digital ones. The plugs are great for surgical tasks, but you can go crazy with the analog ones and it will still sound good.

Over all, mixing is easier with analog. It just sound good quicker to my ears. A little automation in the DAW and a little EQ from teh board and I feel like I have the best of both worlds.

As for how much to spend- seems like any decent mixer will add to your palette of options. I'd get one that has at least as many inputs as your DAW has outputs.

Take care,
Chris
 
Thanks for the replies. I read an article in tape-op awhile ago where some one said that you had to spend at least ten grand on a board for it to be worth it to use for analog mixing with digital recording. Just thought I'd ask for some of your opinions on the subject. In my book analog summing beats digital anyday. There is just something to the mixing of electrons that sounds good. Personaly I think that any decent priced analog board would do.
 
I'm using an Allen & Heath GS1 . In 1995 this board with the meter bridge was £1200 sterling. I picked my second hand mint condition one up in January for £250. I love the EQ on this desk and the mic pre's don't suck either.

I doubt I'll ever find another 32 input 8 bus with 5 aux 16 mic pre's midi mutes and MMC in that price bracket that sounds as sweet as this one.

Alec
 
I tried several times to mix throgh my Mackie 1604 VLZ pro (16 tracks) but never could hear anything "Better" , just a little different.
I have made several mixes using Samplitude,Sonar and Cakewalk pro9 and Samplitude sounded clearer and less grainy every time.

So for now I am sticking with "mixin in the box".

Tom
 
i'm in the process of buying a mixer, not sure which one yet.

Once i find the one, I"m going to attempt to go out of my digi001 box in to the mixer and mix with the mixer EQ and then send it out to my Sony TC-588 Reel-to-Reel machine. Once recorded i will then send it back in to my Delta DIO. I will then post a different between a song i mixed about 6 months ago and now.

Since i have only 8 outputs i will have to buss some of the tracks on the computer.

my setup will be

Drums L/R stereo 1.2
Guitars L/R sterero with lead 3.4
bass 5
vocals 6
reverb 7.8

The only EQ that will be done is with guitars.

I will let you know how this works.

Any advice?

Oh and if this is successful i will buy a better A/D/A convertor.
 
one thing I will say is that my mixes have had less noise mixed in protools than they have mixed on my mackie.
 
Well I ended up buying a Soundtrac Topaz 12-4 mixer, i won it on ebay for $220!!!! Oh yea can't wait. My first mixer ever.


Now we will see what improvement i make.
 
I've done some of my own, very un-scientific tests and I decided to go with analog mixing. My wife can tell the difference everytime and that's good enough for me. So, here is my new purchase. I'm gonna pick up a MOTU 24/io in Feb and I'll be on my way.

I can't freakin wait.
 
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