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32-20-Blues said:
Yeah around €4000
Yeah around €4000
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muttley600 said:
Our general rule of thumb is, if it's not nitro, it can't be fixed. Shelac excepted, of course, but on the whole it works pretty well. The guys at Taylor keep telling us that you can do some pretty decent touchup with their UV stuff, but I just don't buy it. More to the point, we don't allow anything but nitro and shellac in our spray booth, so nothing else is repairable IN OUR SHOP at the very least.
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muttley600
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Yeh fair enough I can understand that. I'm alway very reluctant to take on cosmetic repairs in any case. They will never pay the bills.. and are more trouble than they are worth.Light said:
I thought I could see a bit of that on the picture. Again its kind of contrary to what I would have expected polyurethane to do. Its quite normal to get that with lacquers and finishes that breath, its called "drop in". You can see on a shed load of older guitars or furniture.
The idea for a flat finish whether its gloss satin or any other is to keep building finish untill its finished dropping into the grain or grain fill to avoid it. If it shows up after buffing it would mean that the finish is still curing or the grain was open when it was loaded. Not as sure if this would apply to polyurethane as I haven't used it but I would have thought so.
TelePaul
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muttley600 said:
Uh....what?
muttley600
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replying to 30-20's comment about the wood grain showing grain like through the finish. Trying to explain why it may happen.
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muttley600 said:
Oh, they pay the bills for us when we do them. We charge what they cost at our regular hourly rate. We always recomend against purely cosmetic work, and our prices for touch up and such help to insure that most people take our advice!
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Yeh, but do you find poeple step back when you tell them what your rate is for jobs like that. I do? A lot of folks are happy to pay more per hour to get their car fixed but think we should work for minimum wageLight said:Oh, they pay the bills for us when we do them. We charge what they cost at our regular hourly rate. We always recomend against purely cosmetic work, and our prices for touch up and such help to insure that most people take our advice!
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I still shy away from a lot of that sort of work because it eats into more essential and productive jobs.
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muttley600 said:Yeh, but do you find poeple step back when you tell them what your rate is for jobs like that. I do? A lot of folks are happy to pay more per hour to get their car fixed but think we should work for minimum wage
It depends on the person. Every now and then people will ask, "why so much?" The answer is simple; Our hourly rate is $80 an hour, and this job will take X number of hours. We don't negotiate, and if you don't want to pay it, you don't need to get the work done.
As for the "you charge too much" folks, well, that is why I'm not posting here under my own name. I use my name on every other board I post on, but sometimes you just gotta vent. Around here, I can vent. Hopefully my useful content outways the fumes. Yeah, those idiots are a pain in the ass.
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TelePaul
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Its my experience that guitar shops in the USA are both better value and better equipped to serve the customer than ones in Ireland anyway. A few years back I brought my guitar in to have the action adjusted and had to plead with the guy just to look at it...since then I've done it myself.
I guess its because there arent as many guitar stores here, and they certainly aren't as concentrated...so its not worth someones while to spend 5 minutes making a truss rod adjustment when they can be selling some stupid kid a pointy, flamed guitar for twice what its worth.
muttley600
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Little jobs like a simple truss rod tweak or intonation with bridge saddles I'll often do on the spot and for free. Safe in the knowledge that when they need a proper job doing they'll call me. If any music shop is not happy to give free considered advice or pre sales help even if it's on a instrument you bring in take your business elsewhere. Its a sure sign that their after sales service is not going to be up to much.
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muttley600 said:
I havnt got a whole lot of choice to be honest. Theres 3 LARGE music stores in Dublin city - one doesn't even stock Fenders. I know two smaller ones in the city and outskirts who are way cooler about advice, repairs and ordering stuff in. I guess they need the business more so they can afford to be more cordial.
TelePaul
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I got this e mail back from Fender today:
Hi Paul,
Thanks for your email.
The Highway One guitars are not finished in a poly urethane lacquer. They are currently finished in a Nitro Cellulose lacquer and prior to the upgrade it was finished in a similar lacquer, classed as 'Satin' finish. It has similar properties to the Nitro Cellulose finish which in itself is much softer than a hard polyurethane.
In light of this, it will wear much quicker than a Poly lacquer will. Depending on how the guitar is cleaned or treated or how often it is used, you will begin to notice wear on the guitar.
If you are thinking of having it resprayed, I would recommend a soft lacquer if you want to keep it original. Alternatively, you could have it finished in a hard Polyurethane.
I hope this helps,
Regards,
Jamie Latty
Fender GBI Services Coordinator
Interesting...
Hi Paul,
Thanks for your email.
The Highway One guitars are not finished in a poly urethane lacquer. They are currently finished in a Nitro Cellulose lacquer and prior to the upgrade it was finished in a similar lacquer, classed as 'Satin' finish. It has similar properties to the Nitro Cellulose finish which in itself is much softer than a hard polyurethane.
In light of this, it will wear much quicker than a Poly lacquer will. Depending on how the guitar is cleaned or treated or how often it is used, you will begin to notice wear on the guitar.
If you are thinking of having it resprayed, I would recommend a soft lacquer if you want to keep it original. Alternatively, you could have it finished in a hard Polyurethane.
I hope this helps,
Regards,
Jamie Latty
Fender GBI Services Coordinator
Interesting...
muttley600
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Interesting, Right from the start I thought they were finished in Nitro. As you said you have a pre upgrade model. Fenders own press spec release list it as Polyurethane. See HereTelePaul said:
I'm going to ask them myself because it either is Polyurethane or it is not. If it's not then I want to know what soft lacquer Fender think is as hard as a good nitro?? Either way it should not wear as yours has. I would still suggest it is a polyurethane whether they choose to admitt it or not..calling it
means nothing. Satin is not a type of lacquer it is a decription of the cosmetic effect .
I now wonder why they "upgraded" the finish. Were they having problems with the original finish? I suspect so.
Did you send them the picture of the damaged finish on your guitar?
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I had a strat that got stored with a cheapo guitar strap lying across the face. The interaction with the cheap plastic end pieces softened the fender's finish and it took literally months for it to harden up again.
Was I pissed????
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Was I pissed????
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you got a relic dude people pay for that .It won't change th 
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muttley600
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The real thing here that I consider to be an issue is not that the finish is wearing, fair wear and tear is something everyone accepts, rather that the finish has fallen off in places and is soft enough to print in at other times.
I wont comment too much on the response TelePaul got from Fender as I don't know what was in his email to them. However if someone sent me an email detailing his problem I would at least give it more than a dismissive reply.
I have left messages for the contacts at Fender that I have and will wait to speak to them later.
I wont comment too much on the response TelePaul got from Fender as I don't know what was in his email to them. However if someone sent me an email detailing his problem I would at least give it more than a dismissive reply.
I have left messages for the contacts at Fender that I have and will wait to speak to them later.
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Thanks muttley! My e-mail to them was based around one of your posts outlining the various polyurethane finish options...acid cure etc. I also mentioned it was pre-upgrade. And for the record, I didn't store it with a strap on it, but thats a good suggestion guys!
I read a review of the Highway Ones in this months guitarist..thewy siad the new nitro finish still isn't like the American standards, and that it is prone to scratching etc.
I read a review of the Highway Ones in this months guitarist..thewy siad the new nitro finish still isn't like the American standards, and that it is prone to scratching etc.
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TelePaul said:
They also said that the bridge on their strat was incorrectly aligned, which would piss me off, and that the tuners are made in Pakistan.
The greasebucket circuitry is pretty sweet, though.
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I get to see a lot of guitars as they arrive this side of the Atlantic and that isn't unusual. Should have been sorted before it went for a media walkabout though.
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TelePaul said:
That may well be the most useless non-reply reply I've ever seen.
Beyond that, Muttley has already said most of what I would say.
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