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hey...i want to make a small studio in my house. im looking for the cheapest equipment i could buy to make this happen. i want it to be able to record a full band. what gear must i have to create decent quality recordings... if possible, can u recommend any specific pieces of equipment i should check out.
 
Well, there's about a million ways to do this, as you can see from all the posts on this board...
However, as a simple start up, you can try a multitrack recorder and enough mic's and headphones to go around.... as far as specifics just do a search on this board and you'll get more info than you ever wanted ;)
 
A good thing to do is state your intentions.
"I want to record guitar, in the style of metal" is an example.
Second is what is your budget?
Third what gear do you have now?

That helps folks determine what answers to give.

Other wise post back an we will try to help.

-Blaze
 
the only equipment i have is a sennheiser e835 mic...i have a few guitar amps and a couple guitars...nothing else that will really work for recording. im looking to record heavy rock bands. my budget for the whole thing at this point and in time is only 500-700 bucks (not for mics). basically all im looking for is to buy the least amount of equipment possible to have presentable recordings.
 
Do you have a computer you could dedicate to this task?
 
Actually, you know what? Why don't you start by reading this: http://www.tweakheadz.com/guide.htm This is probably the best source of beginner info on this subject on the net. Once you've read this, hopefully you'll have a much clearer understanding of what you might be able to expect if you want to start a small home studio. Then come back and ask any more specific questions you have.
 
If you want to have enough inputs to properly record live drums then cheap is not really an option. Also, if you want, as you say, for things to sound descent, you won't want to go with "the cheapest equipment i could buy to make this happen". Basically, if you budget is $500-$700 is just isn't going to be possible. With that kind of money, and assuming your computer is half way descent, I would start by buying a ProTools Mbox (I guess it is an Mbox2 these days). It will only give you two inputs, but hey, at least that's stereo.
 
The M-box is overrated. over 400 bucks for two ins? what the hell?

Listen I use a M-Audio Delta 44 4-ins 4-out for $150.oo
Then you could get a Couple of M-Audio DMP3 mic pre's or a Yamaha MG-16/4 or 12/4 mixer that will work well with the 44. mixer or pre's will cost around $300.

SO thats $450 so far.

Then you would need a headphone amp and headphones for tracking say multipul people at once. Musicians friend has headphone am/heaphone packs that start around $150 and up. Not the worlds greatest headphones but a good start.

Do you mean when you say "only 500-700 bucks (not for mics)", that you will budget for mic's later?

If you need mic's now you could go look at ebay for some used ones or just buy some samson condensor mics(not to pricey) or some MXL's.

You would still need software so that may blow any mic budget. But you can get Cakewalk Soanr Home studio for $100-150 I think.

That is if you have a fairly recent PC or computer you could dedicate to the task.

There some options for you mboogie.

Later

-Blaze
 
the mic budget is different...im not buying a ton of mics right now to mic a full band just bc i dont need to do anything along those lines at the moment. all i need right now are like 2 mics, one for vocals, and one for my amp...but im not counting the cost of them in my little price range. i already have software (sonar 4 producers edition) so i dont need to purchase that. my computer is 2.0 ghz AMD with a gig of ram, and a 160 gig hard drive...so that is more then enough for what im looking to do. the thing i really want to know is, how can i have multiple mics record on their own individual channel on the computer? bc the way ive recorded in the past would be to have the aux on the board run out into channel one on a digital recorder, then i would set all the levels on the mixer and eq it, and record. then later go in and overdub. i just want every mic to record into its own track on the computer initially. do i have to buy a firewire mixer or something? or can i buy a normal board and some other piece of hardware to make this happen?

also...say i go analog instead of digital...is that any cheaper?


(sorry for being so confusing and hard to help...thanks for being patient with me)
 
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The delta blazingstrings was talking about lets you record 4 different sources onto different tracks. There is also the 1010LT, which has 8 inputs. The only problem is that you still need a pre amp in front of these inputs. This is where a DMP3 comes in. One of those has 2 inputs, so if you want to use all 8 inputs on the Delta, then you'd need 4 DMP3s, each running about $150. So in total, you'd need $600 for pre amps, and $200 for a soundcard. And this is for some of the cheapest stuff you can get. Now do you see why so many people record one track at a time? You can simplify things by mixing all the drum mics down to a stereo track, use one mic for guitar, and DI the bass. This requires a mixer (which has pre amps in it, btw) for the drums, a pre amp for the guitar(s), and a DI box for bass. Again, not a cheap set-up, but less expensive than everything going to its own track: $150 for a Delta 44, $100 for a mixer (Yamaha 10/2 because its pre amps are good), $150 for the DMP3, and up to $200 for a DI box for the bass (Sansamp). Now, enter the M-box (and its clones). This unit combines a preamp with a soundcard. All you have to do is plug in a mic. The limitations are in the number of inputs. You also have to add in the price of cables and stands.

Now, if you don't want to go the route of computer recording, you can do a SIAB (Studio In A Box). These are standalone recorders that contain everything you need, minus the mics (and instruments of course). The one thing you want to look for when choosing one is the number of simultaneous tracks it can record. Unfortunately, the units that can record a large enough number of tracks are pretty expensive (around $1000).

To sum everything up: If you can't expand your budget, then you have 2 options:
1) Record live onto a stereo track.
2) Record each instrument by itself.

BTW, I don't mean to discourage you in any way. It's just the harsh facts of reality.
 
mboogie said:
also...say i go analog instead of digital...is that any cheaper?
Yes and no. You can get a Tascam 4-track tape recorder for $150. On the other hand, the big reel to reel machines are quite expensive, digital is much cheaper.
 
In some ways analog can be cheaper as far as finding a used machine but the fact is that its alot more work to maintain a analog machine...........

Thanks for making my statements more clear IronFlippy. :)

-Blaze
 
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Recording/Computer/Hardware?sku=184131

Comes with your choice of extras, I would get the HP4. 8 preamps, firewire, single rack space, whats not to love. Also can be had on ebay with extras thrown in as well.

Or to mix up the preamp flavor, get the 1010lt ($200), 2 dmp3's ($300), and 2 Studio Projects VTB-1s ($176). The 1010lt has two channels of pres built in, not that they are any good, but you can use them (no phantom power, so dynamics need only to apply). Also the 1010lt at MF comes with a MXL 990+shockmount.

Personally, I went with the 1010lt, and so far a pair of VTB-1s, next month I think I am going to add a M-Audio Tampa or something in its price range. With the 1010lt you can add on and build up as slowly as you need to or fast all at once. And if you get a preamp that doesn't agree with you, you are able to sell it off and get something better.
 
It is only USB 1.1, yes 2.0 is a little bit faster than firewire.

-Blaze
 
A friend bought the Alesis board a few years back and was satisfied at first with it, 6 months down the road he discovered the inferior inputs on the back were not suitable for the constant plugging /unplugging in his studio and they were breaking loose. When he attempted to repair it he found it was surface mount stuff and he basically had to toss the board out, and I believe he went with Mackie.
 
mboogie said:
what about getting a Lexicon Omega and a Bluetube preamp? i can get both new for 430 flat .... does it sound like a good deal? cause when i went to guitarcenter to check some of this gear out, they told me that most people run into some sort of problem with MAudio equipment and they said this is a better way to go....

Thats just a sales man trying to up sell.
I have used M-audio Products since they changed there name from Midiman to M-audio. I have only had one issue with their products once (Radium 49 had a broken sustain pedal jack, sent it to them and got it back in a week working perfect since)........

I own many many M-Audio products and they dont give me any problems.

Rule #1 Never trust Guitar center salesmen. :D

-Blaze
 
mboogie said:
they told me that most people run into some sort of problem with MAudio equipment and they said this is a better way to go....

Ditto what BlazingStrings said. All my M-audio stuff is fine, those guys dont know anything.
 

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