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Emusic
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7string. What is your recording medium / software? You have any midi sequencer at all?
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xfinsterx
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Sounds like the Eagles meets Bruce Springsteen.
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Commander
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I think you could sharpen the mix a lot by taking off that effect on the drums, vocals and b/vs. Sounds a bit too muddy and fills too many holes. This would give you more space for the instruments to be heard and allow the track to breathe. Pan the acoustic guitars hard left and right. In the b/vs there is a low part that is in the same register as the main vocal and I would lose that one, and try thinning out the b/vs with eq too.
Just my thoughts!
Just my thoughts!
7string
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Emusic said:
No MIDI. I'm just recording direct to computer using Cakewalk's Guitar Tracks 3 Pro.
7string
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Commander said:I think you could sharpen the mix a lot by taking off that effect on the drums, vocals and b/vs. Sounds a bit too muddy and fills too many holes. This would give you more space for the instruments to be heard and allow the track to breathe. Pan the acoustic guitars hard left and right. In the b/vs there is a low part that is in the same register as the main vocal and I would lose that one, and try thinning out the b/vs with eq too.
Just my thoughts!
Ok, I got rid of the verb on everything... wow... sounds awfully dry.
There are three acoustic guitars. The main one is panned straight up. The second has a bit more top end to it and is panned hard right. I bring it up just to the point that I notice it and then back it down a bit. The third is in between the other two, not as much hi end, and it is panned hard left. I bring it up just to the point that I notice it and then back it down a bit.
There are three backup vocals and I dumed the lower one. I cut more of the lows out... wow... sounds awfully thin.
How do people get their mixes sounding so fat and full sounding? If my mixes sound fat to me their muddy to everybody else. NOW this is getting frustrating.
7string
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7string said:
Ok, I guess I should clarify that. I have an MXL V57M condensor mic and ART pre for acoustic guitars and vocals. The electric stuff is direct.
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Emusic
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Yours is in a way fat. But I feel everything is going on in the middle frequencywise. Lots of collisions. And the verb on everything just mix it together to somewhat of an audio fog.
More definition on the bass. Remove verb allmost totally. EQ/pan till you clearly can hear each element clearly and defined. Then add som verb back on the snare and vocals. Maybe a tad on a guitar or two.
If I had you tracks here dry I could make you mix. But I guess your tracks is run through nondestructable effect prosessing?
More definition on the bass. Remove verb allmost totally. EQ/pan till you clearly can hear each element clearly and defined. Then add som verb back on the snare and vocals. Maybe a tad on a guitar or two.
If I had you tracks here dry I could make you mix. But I guess your tracks is run through nondestructable effect prosessing?
7string
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Emusic said:
I've removed the verb entirely, but I didn't think there was very much on it to begin with. I don't think the mix side was over 20 on any instrument. The mix was at 10 on the lead vocals.
I never use the dry tracks. I always keep them safe.
Ok, here's where I'm at now.
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Emusic
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Sure its dry. But its much more defined this way. I like your voice. Sounds like the SR-16 HAS some reverb though but its prolly a verbed kit ure using. Its ok though.
To make this sparkle you just have to process, pan and EQ till you have it.
Those guitars need some verb. You really need 3 guitars? Sounds a tad much to me; I can't even separate 3 guitars when listening. I can hear 2 though.
And if you have the dry tracks all in full lenght I would really like to try to mix some more sparkle into it. That way I even will be able to tell you what I did. I'm no pro though. Did you use a clicktrack when you recorded?
To make this sparkle you just have to process, pan and EQ till you have it.
Those guitars need some verb. You really need 3 guitars? Sounds a tad much to me; I can't even separate 3 guitars when listening. I can hear 2 though.
And if you have the dry tracks all in full lenght I would really like to try to mix some more sparkle into it. That way I even will be able to tell you what I did. I'm no pro though. Did you use a clicktrack when you recorded?
jake-owa
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Sounds better, not totally dry. The backups are in need of retracking. The two harmony line guitars up to 1:58 are like a completely different sound and in my opinion would be better sounding more like the guitars after that point. They are too washy, almost synthy which doesn't really fit the tune to my ears. Ok, they come back at 3:10...yeah, not a fan of that sound in this context.
You need to find a good colab drummer.
You need to find a good colab drummer.
7string
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Emusic said:
Usually, when I record I already have the song completely worked out. I program the drums (which DO have some verb on them now that I think about it) and lay them down. Then I just play the drum track back and record to it. Whatever the song calls for determines the next instruments. In this case it was bass guitar. Then acoustic, electric rhythm (if there is any - in this case the twin hook guitars), solo guitars, and vocals last.
How would I get you the dry tracks?
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Emusic
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I have an FTP server. I can set up an account for you if you know how to use an FTP client
7string
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Emusic said:
FTP is part of my online business. I have to get ready to take mom to court right now. The brothers are trying to get control of the estate and put mom in a home. You can email the info to me at jeffj10@charter.net. I probably won't be able to get to it until sometime this evening though.
Thanks! I'd be interested to know how someone else would handle my music.
giraffe
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back off the hi freq. i'm listening at low volume in a pair of sennheiser hd 280s
and it's painful.
it's a good song, and your voice did come out good, but listening to it is punishing.
and it's painful.
it's a good song, and your voice did come out good, but listening to it is punishing.
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L'espion Noir
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great voice good song
don't know much about mixing so i let the others do the talking
don't know much about mixing so i let the others do the talking
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Emusic
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giraffe said:
There ain't no highs in my AKG 271's. Nor in my Fostex PM-1 monitors. He has too much going on in the middle. Taking away the few highs will kill it even more. IMHO
scrubs
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Emusic said:
I respectfully disagree. The hi-hat and panned acoustic tracks sound like they were run through an exciter set on "peel your eyebrows off." Sizzlin'!!!
BTW, 7string, I like the remix better. Your voice is clearer. Getting closer.
7string
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scrubs said:
How were the acoustic guitars? I took some of the left and right guitars off and added a few mids to the middle guitar.
Oh, by the way... my friends just call me 7.
scrubs
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7string said:How were the acoustic guitars? I took some of the left and right guitars off and added a few mids to the middle guitar.
Oh, by the way... my friends just call me 7.
alright, 7,
yeah, definitely better on the guitars. they are still a bit "zingy" for my ears, but they fit the style o.k.
eyebrows still intact.
7string
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scrubs said:alright, 7,
yeah, definitely better on the guitars. they are still a bit "zingy" for my ears, but they fit the style o.k.
eyebrows still intact.
Ok... suppose I dump the two extra acoustic's (although I do like the fuller sound of multiple acoustic's) what would you do with the remaining? Pan left/right? Leave it up the middle? Just looking for ideas.
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