First attempt at recording new amp

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Nice mix

Vocal treatment was cool.
Mix needs a bit of work with the eight'th (I honestly don't know how to spell that lol) note guitar stuff near the end IMO.

Guitars sound beefier. The growly low e-string slides sounded dangerous with the new rig.

btw, I've been wanting to ask you. Which tune is it that has the line "Our fear of heights my dear"?
 
you know... i've heard some of your stuff before... umm... brother with wings or something? i really liked that... and... you have a really james maynard quality to your voice... very similar diction.. which gives you that kinda of, authorative quality, which works and works well.

so, like the other song i've heard.. the vibe is there, it's tight and i like.... my favourite bit is where you slide in the picked bit at 2:14... i liked how it took over from the piano, nice idea.

i would've tried to get the same mix as what you're getting although, i wouldn't have got as good a mix as you have, so.. *golf clap*
 
Congrats on the new amp! A fine choice.:cool:

Being a Boogie owner myself (MKIII Simulclass) I could be a bit biased on that issue though.:D

Seriously, the guitar parts sound much more defined. I can tell what your playing much better now. The basic tone is very close though. Are you still using the same cab?

I like the vocal better without the heavy flange. More definition there as well.

Two thumbs up.:)
 
your voice is noticeably more aggressive in certain parts on this. sounds good. it's hard to get a good contrast like that and do it well.

guitars sound good as always. i'm listening on computer speakers and my only complaint is the snare drum. i can't explain why. i think the pitch might be just a tad high for me.

and i LOVE ABRUPT ENDINGS!!!! keep that up please. i hate fadeouts. that's perfect just like it is.
 
Kelly5150- Good call on the 3:00 to 3:20 vocal esses. I'll make the adjustments. That's why I want a new mic...mine hypes the hell out of that range. Also, thank you very much for the encouraging words!

Toki-
The fretboard squeaks stick out a little more on the desktops.
I assume you mean the acoustic in the beginning. I'll listen to that on another system. Thanks! "Tjarko Unit"...funny. :)

groucho- Hey Chris thanks man. The bass level is one of two or three things I need to rest on for a while with this I think. I did in fact cut some of that 80-120Hz out of the bass and may have over done it. Hard to tell on these monitors. Maybe I just need to compromise. I haven't played this mix on anything other systems because I ran out of CDR's. :( But your vote is noted! Thank you kindly, sir.

Ghost- Hey man thank you. I think this amp will probably do the trickk. As I've said there is a lot to learn about it, but it will be nice having some flexibility and options for individual songs. Glad you liked the song itself, too. I realize it's a bit neurotic for a lot of listeners here. But I figure the clinic is a great place for all of us to stretch ourselves out a little. Thanks again!

dobro- My girlfriend and I will be working on a video soon I think. I believe we have enough tools (good DV cam, good editing software, etc) to do a decent job. We just don't know yet what music we'll work with. But October and November is a good time to shoot here in Maine for my kinda music, so we should start at least gathering images soon. That should be a fun experience/experiment. We also have a DVD burner so hopefully your idea isn't that far down the road. :) I don't know if you have "Feathers and Bones" on your HD or not, but that's one that would be great to shoot outdoors here this time of year. Most of the lyrics are images of the Maine woods in mid-autumn (hunting season), mixed with a story of atonement. Anyway, thanks Paul. You help me stay focused on the art side of this as I struggle through the technical. Salut. :)

Dethska-
Like at 1:10, plug in the Les Paul and crank out that riff.
Man, I think I'm with you on that one. Originally I had 4 guitar tracks (including 2 LP's) running through that section. But I haven't yet figured out a way to make a proper transition. Because I don't want a lot of distortion in the verses themselves. I think I can hear it in my head, but everytime I try to do exactly what you've suggested, I completely botch it. Maybe the technical solution will come to me. Thank you!

Doug H-
btw, I've been wanting to ask you. Which tune is it that has the line "Our fear of heights my dear"?
Chrysalis. It was the first song where Lt. Bob did horns for me. He's awesome. I'm working on a revision of that too, Pedullist will be doing the bass as usual, and I'm re-writing the drums to be less busy. I think most everything else will stay the same, but with more clarity (less processing). Thanks for checking this one out Doug!

Rassoodocks- Interesting comments. It might be sort of ironic because I think my "authority voice" is really a lack of any sense of authority. I've actually just typed a couple of ways to explain what I mean, and they all sound retarded so I give up...LOL! But thank you for the observations and for the polite "golf clap." :) Cheers!

mixmkr-
it might be a tad psyshedelec for Earl Scruggs..
I went to his website to see what the hell you were talking about. Yep, I think you're probably right! LOL..so you're a full-blown banjoist now. Let's hear the latest, eh? :)

M. Brane-
The basic tone is very close though. Are you still using the same cab?
No but as Guernica and I were saying earlier in the thread, I think the guitar has a lot to do with it. The only thing I re-tracked for guitars in this was the verses and the ending. The verses sound very similar because it's pretty much the straight PRS neck pickup with a little crunch. If I go full aggro I lose way too much clarity and tone in these sections. Too many high mid notes. Plus I'm still using the sm57 in front of the speaker, which seems to focus its strength on the mids in heavy guitars. I'm going to try out a MD421 when it arrives from MF to see if I can have a little more control over that. With the the 57 I can cut all the 750Hz I want out of the amp, and the mic still seems to find it and parade it all around. Lots of experimenting still to do, but I'm digging the amp! Cya man. Thanks.
 
Eric- Cool man. Glad you liked it. I can probably adjust the pitch of that snare. I'll toy with it later. Right now I gotta drive 2 hours to get my brother who was robbed last night. Some fucking people...
 
SLuiCe said:
Eric- Cool man. Glad you liked it. I can probably adjust the pitch of that snare. I'll toy with it later. Right now I gotta drive 2 hours to get my brother who was robbed last night. Some fucking people...

sorry about your bro. hope he's ok. don't go adjusting the snare for me. i'm sure everyone else likes it.
 
I gotta drive 2 hours to get my brother who was robbed last night. Some fucking people...

That blows!:( Hope he didn't get hurt.

No but as Guernica and I were saying earlier in the thread, I think the guitar has a lot to do with it. The only thing I re-tracked for guitars in this was the verses and the ending. The verses sound very similar because it's pretty much the straight PRS neck pickup with a little crunch. If I go full aggro I lose way too much clarity and tone in these sections. Too many high mid notes. Plus I'm still using the sm57 in front of the speaker, which seems to focus its strength on the mids in heavy guitars. I'm going to try out a MD421 when it arrives from MF to see if I can have a little more control over that. With the the 57 I can cut all the 750Hz I want out of the amp, and the mic still seems to find it and parade it all around. Lots of experimenting still to do, but I'm digging the amp! Cya man. Thanks.

On my MKIII, I use the preamp tone controls to adjust the character of the amp, and the graphic EQ for the overall tone. Between the two you can get just about any tone you want. The manual has some good suggested settings that are pretty much spot-on. I never run the gain controls over 7 with humbuckers, and usually have 'em around 5. I also never use the pull-deep on the master with humbuckers.

My favorite position for the 57 on my Vintage 30's is right on the edge usually with the mic pointed straight into the cone angled i.e. away from the center. This seems to smooth out the mids quite well.

For solos I've been liking my ECM's about 3-4' in front of the cab. More bite & air.
 
when I first heard the acoustic guitars, I thought this was gonna sound a bit bassy, but when everything kicked in, the balance gets really good. I really dig the vocals, agressive and the effects used on it fits nicely.

good job

Al
 
I'm just popping by to say: 'thanks a lot, guys'.

Playing bass parts for Tom is a wild and challenging adventure. It's also weird playing bass to tracks that give you goosebumps all the time. ;)
 
Hey Tom (sorry for using first name),

Just saying, the guitar sounds great, especially the clean stuff at 2:15 (although my preference on guitar sound is clean so I'd be biased). It sounds very good :)

What about the drums, how did you mic them?

Kit
 
Just adding the guitar that comes in just before the volume jump at around... 0:37 sounds amazing. I love the tone on that (and the great key change ;)) Nice stuff
 
I have to make this quick, sounds good! one quick nit, I heard some crackling, and the fretboard squeaks in the intro @29 seconds were a bit hard.. that would make someone drop the volume a hair instead of turning it up before the blow up.. nice bass and additives! I'll hit this again later..
 
Excellent! Your stuff just keeps getting better and better sound wise...Better than some stuff I have heard commercially.

My only nitpik is the vocal was a little soft at the beginning, but the overall sound of the song is excellent. And that bass kicks ass! :D

p.s. sorry to hear about your bro. :(
 
Damn. Nice.
You have everyone hanging by your every pube, you should be quite proud. :)
You must be one of those Van Halen types where no matter what he plays through he always has that van halen sound. I could walk up on his rig and play and it wouldnt sound like the Van HAlen sound at all. Weird. I say this cause I hear a difference in the tracks now, but there is still an exact sound that is you and only you. Maybe its the particular guitar you are using, but it feels like a mid-range "signature" if you will. If I heard this sound elsewhere I would think of you.
The amp: you digging it then? Big difference? If you go to the Mesa site they have all the manuals there to download if you didnt get one. And with the markIV you almost HAVE to have one. Lots of push/pulls and tricks to that amp that'll take you a bit to get in touch with.
I'm real interested to hear your opinions on the 421 vs. the Shure. The 421 has a nicer midrange I think. Definately time for you to grab a Great River MP1NV and hit that transformer real hard on your dirty parts. You'd like that I think. A lot.
At the beginning, in the clean parts and the vocals, what are using by way of reverb? What kind of settings are you using? That seems to sound nicer than most of the verbs, or at least what I can get out of them, that I have. Except for the SIR (which is free if you dont have it get off your ass and DL it before it costs money. You'll shit at the impulses you can find for free for that thing) Problem is, I dont have a working version of SIR right now. I will soon though, ahh yeah. Check out the SIR if you havent yet.
Anyway, I hear something different, but without a side by side, all I can say is, it sounds the same, only different. If THAT makes sense. It does seem to have a "bigger" sound now though, more professional in a way. Ok I just hit 2:37, and that does indeed sound better if my memory serves correctly. Your stereo spread and space seems really good, better than before.
I do want to know what you have going on by way of effects and verbs in that 1st 30 seconds, though.... what about that delay (?) and effects stack on the guitar that comes in at 2:15, I like that alot too... what delay are you using? I'm totally unhappy with all of my delays right now, too. I need a plug-in upgrade I guess. The waves delay has been getting on my last nerve lately.
Ahhh, at 3:20 theres a better sound than before... still with that weird signature midrange you have though. I'm wondering if you walked in here and played all my gear just like its set up, if you would have that still. Its weird that there occasionally people like that. Keith Richards was one of those people, too. No matter what he played through, it sounded like his sound.
Vocals are kinda killing in volume in some parts, IMO. Otherwise FAT mix. Add a distressor to that Great River and you would be totally slamming asses.
A little dirtier and more heavy stuff please. Soon. Please?
:)
You da man.
 
You know what? I think an API is right up your alley.
You should call Merc or someone and try an API out for a few days. I'll bet that would totally compliment your style, it has a very specific color that might just kill on your stuff. I totally think it would, at least on your dirty guitars and maybe your vocals.
Merc will let you try it out for up to 30 days I think (check on that dont take my word for it) You could re-track a few songs with the API and check out the differences, and let us hear it too.
Just an idea.
I think its your next step, really, now that you have the Mesa...
 
Khompy and Eric- Thanks you guys. He's fine. Had a little run-in with some rednecks I guess. No violence but I guess it got close. While that was going on I guess someone took his wallet from his car outside. No money, but had his baby's pictures and credit cards, etc. Some people just shouldn't breed.

M. Brane- Thanks for the suggestions on settings. And also for mentioning the ECM's. At some point soon I'd like to get a good room mic for the amp. My MC012's are nice for clean guitar leads, especially one 012 a few feet back with the 57 near the grill. But I am failing miserably with the heavy tones. Also I'm getting some rumbling from the amp with the bass on only 2. It's not the speaker because I also have an extension cab and a recording out line, and it happens in both of them as well. Possibly a tube problem? I know they're all at least two years old, so I'll swap those out and see what happens. I'll be doing some experimenting today because I just don't have the budget for any major upgrades in gear. Although like Tubedude said, a better pre should probably be my next major move. Anyway thanks for all the guitar advice. Cheers.

A1A2- Yeah, that intro is really thick in the lows. I think I need to cut some of the lows just a touch there, and hopefully warm up the guitars some when I retrack them. Thanks for checking it out man!

Pedullist- And thank you. I'm lucky to have someone with your skills and talent to help me. You bring life to my bottem end. Or something like that. :)

CanopuS- Hey, I prefer "Tom" over "sluice" any day. I've actually been thinking of switching user names. :)
0:37 sounds amazing
Ya know, the first version of this I posted, I was pretty sure that that section was the only part of this song anyone liked. LOL. I'm glad you liked the song. My preference is usually clean guitars too, but I'm hoping to get my heavier gits to the point where they are strong, but not so harsh. In fact I'm quite obsessed with it. As for the drum question shhh...they're not real. :) Cheers man.

B.SABBATH- Hey Sam thanks for stopping in man. Yeah someone else mentioned that fret noise earlier, then i heard it in the truck. Pretty brutal eh? I'll just retrack it. It's a stupid simple part that will take 3 minutes to set up and 37 seconds to track. I'm lost on the crackling though. I'll give it a listen later, but if you get bored maybe you could give me a time code. Thanks again.

boydrj- Awesome man, thanks. It's good to hear when you're progressing. And I'm pretty psyched about Tjarko's bass playing and tone as well. It really has become the glue in my music. Thanks for the comment about my brother. He's fine now. Was just a bit shaken up and angry. Take care!

tubedude- Paul, you're killing me. You've got me dreaming about gear I can't get. :rolleyes: But I gotta tell you I have to agree 100% that the next step is a good pre. I loved these $200 boxes when I got them, but my ears have learned to hear the significant differences. The single channel API's at Merc are between 625 and 750 or so. I just can't swing it with everything else going on. Maybe I can find some place near by to rent something better to record the guitars, cuz I have to admit after listening in the truck this morning, they sound fucking harsh. You can call it my "mid-range signature" all you want, but it's not at all what I want. I'm not looking for Rectifier either, but I would definitely like a set of balls there.
I was saying to M. Brane (above) that I'm getting some rumbling from the amp at bass settings of less than 2 and above, so I had to keep it down for these tracks. This maybe account for some of the apparent exaggerated midrange. But I suspect it has a lot to do with my recording chain and tactics. I've tried running the 57 through both a VTB-1 and an Art Tube MP with various gain structures. I've also tried the Studio Projects C3 out in front of the cab. Not bad, but kinda artificial sounding (that mic also hypes up the 2-6k like a nightmare- must replace that as well). So I'll try the MD421, probably Monday and I'll change the tubes out today. I tracked this with 5881's on the ends before I swapped them for STR 430's (6L6). But they only had the one pair so i'm waiting for more. Today I'll swap all the 12Ax7's and see if that helps with the rumbling. No clue. And along the way, I'll think about whether I want to sell my Korg Triton to buy a better pre. Goddamit, I just want to finish my CD. LOL! But, hey I'm laughing.
As for your questions, the delay is Cakewalk's stalk FX plugin, comes with Sonar. The reverbs on this one are Waves Rverb on the vocals and Trueverb on the guitars and drums. I can't tell you the settings for the intro now, because I processed it offline to free up CPU resources. But if I had to guess, I'd say a predelay of about 50 ms, time close to 2, decay around 1.5 and a mix of maybe 25-30%. Also, bare in mind that it's an acoustic and clean Paul Reed Smith playing in unison. It's a sound I've really grown to like and adopt. I've toyed lately with the Waves Supertap, and it's kinda cool, but tricky to use. Everytime I've reached for it, I end up going back to the Cakewalk FXDelay.
Anyway, i promise I will have a great guitar sound if it fucking kills me. I'm a guitar player for God's sake. Why can't I get it right? :D Cya Paul.
 
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