*Final mixdown question*

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Farview said:
You may have a different definition of 'fairy dust'. When the ME does his thing (sprinkles his fairy dust, you know, EQ, de-essing, compression, etc...), he will need more than .025db of headroom to do it.
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Absolutely right. And why the hell would you want to blast your mix to -0.25dB when you're having it sent for mastering anyway? Just get the balance and sounds right and leave the volume for someone who has a clue what they're doing (which discounts most of the people on this forum, myself included).
 
Massive Master said:
But tracking - Recording those signals - Tracking too hot (trying to get the signal "close to -0 without clipping") is a *huge* issue from what I can tell - at least on the forums... That's not how gear is designed to run. 0dBVU (being around -18dBFS depending on the gear) is where almost everything is designed to run at optimally. The best signal, the lowest signal-to-noise, the lowest distortion - And the "intangibles" - The best "focus" and "air" - the clearest dynamics, the most punch...

Driving your input signal too hard screws *so many things up* that I don't understand why so many people don't get that simple "first day of class" obviosity. Adding distortion, noise, losing punch, air, clarity - Drastically changing the signal depending on the chain. And then, the "innocent" wonderment question:

"Why don't my mixes sound Pro?"

Well, because you've beat the hell out of every single track, used up all the headroom at every single phase, on every track, every buss - After basically overdriving the signal to get it into the DAW...
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This is a great post (not only the part I just quoted), it should be in a FAQ somewhere or something.

This obsession with hitting digital zero at all stages of the game is just horrifying, and it clearly sounds awful. I don't understand why people can't seem to hear it, or is it that they aren't listening? My piano teacher at the conservatory always used to make a point about the difference between "hearing" and "listening". And there is a huge difference between the two.
 
Farview said:
You may have a different definition of 'fairy dust'. When the ME does his thing (sprinkles his fairy dust, you know, EQ, de-essing, compression, etc...), he will need more than .025db of headroom to do it.
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Perfect case of high rep power and posts not counting for shit.
 
No its not.


We have differing views.

Ive been thinking about knocking myself down into the red for a while now.

Just today tipped me over the edge.

You got heaps of rep can you knock me down please.
 
Farview is correct. Even if the mastering engineer is using an analog chain, if the mix is too hot, he will need to turn it down to not blow his gain structure..
 
Is that right.

Who the fu ck are you dick head.


Lets you and i both master a song now and see who understands the process.

Fuck the mastering engineers gain stage.

If the mix is any good he shouldnt need any fukin head room, or gain stage or processing.

Fuck off while i lick your mums ass.
 
pingu said:
Is that right.
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Yes, it is.

pingu said:
Who the fu ck are you dick head.
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Someone who knows what they are talking about. That's how you can tell the difference between me and you.


pingu said:
Lets you and i both master a song now and see who understands the process.
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OK.

pingu said:
Fuck the mastering engineers gain stage.
If the mix is any good he shouldnt need any fukin head room, or gain stage or processing.
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Then why pay him? You can put the mixes on CD yourself saving time, money and aggravation.
 
You left out the most important quote.


When you and farview have a song, let me know and we will see who understands headroom or mastering.


Ability will solve this, fu ck the technicality.
 
C'mon! Put up or shut up ya pissy little bitch. Why the fuck should I have to come up with a song? I already believe me.

What the fuck ability are you talking about? The ability to persevere mastering a loud mix? Are you fucking kidding me?

Yes, the mastering engineer can turn it down, but if I had my choice, I would do it at the mix stage.

Get a grip douchebag.
 
pingu said:
Ability will solve this, fu ck the technicality.
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Ah, yes. Why let the facts get in the way of a good opinion? Oh yeah, and my dick is bigger than yours anyway so let's fight. :rolleyes:
 
What are the facts then.

Yes your dick is bigger than mine.

If you look close enough at the facts you will see that i am justified in my defense.

As pointless as it may be.

And thanks for the red.
 
Sillyhat said:
C'mon! Put up or shut up ya pissy little bitch. Why the fuck should I have to come up with a song? I already believe me.

What the fuck ability are you talking about? The ability to persevere mastering a loud mix? Are you fucking kidding me?

Yes, the mastering engineer can turn it down, but if I had my choice, I would do it at the mix stage.

Get a grip douchebag.
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Its got nothing to do when it is supposed to be turned down.


This is the whole argument.


I said headroom and fairy dust have nothing to do with each other.

And your mate says he disagrees.




In this scenario faced with the ME asking for 6 dbs more of headroom.


Oh soooo much more fairy dust is available just by giving more headroom.


Fu ck off.

I also said its not the ME's job to tell a guy to alter his mix before he has heard it.

And your mate says i disagree.

Disagree all you like.

This is pointless.

Im going to rape my mum.


Before you go give me red rep.
 
I got nothing more to say.

I truly don't give a fu ck what anyone here thinks of me.
No more justification.

If i could be assed id delete the last posts.


I'm only here to help some new comers if and when i can.

Just that guys with huge post counts and rep points that mean fu ck all jump in with their non realistic hear say comments, and confuse the hell out of beginners.
 
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