Feeling rather down ... my daughter toppled my Les Paul, and sheered off headstock

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muttley600 said:
So fraud is the way to go is it? Nice one.:rolleyes:
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Why...are you a cop???...Im just trying to help a guy in need not get fucked by an insurance company he make his premiums to.
He should aim for new or a used one...with a repair even if its is done right...it isnt worth a dime anymore...he should be able to get replacement...and if he pads on the year it might eat the deductable.
 
And then his insurance company drops him for filing penny-ante claims, and no other insurer will pick him up due to loss history. Clueless advice.

Here on the beach there is only one insurer brave enough to write policies. If they drop you, you fall on the last-resort government plan, which is about $1500 more expensive for me.

Just slap some locking tuners on it, that'll fix it right up.
 
well I dont know if its any comfort but I repaired the broken headstock of an LP copy by following instructions I found through google...it plays and stays in tune fine but the actions higher...I think the fret board was slightly bent whilst it was still under string tension....

Id say you've got nothing to lose by giving it a go..when looking repairs up I saw quite a few LPs and SGs with headstocks broken :confused:
 
forgot to say I am generally clueless on anything to do with repairing anything
 
ez_willis said:
yeah, you're fucked on that one. if you look at an intact LP, you will see a V-shaped glue line. if you get a clean break on that line the repair is relatively minor.
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I'd say that break is quite repairable. Just don't touch the bare wood where possible, keep it clean (as already suggested) and take it to a guitar doctor. They'll glue and clamp it (and retouch the finish blah blah) and the repair should hold stronger than the wood in the first place. It looks a lot better than some I've seen and there's a large surface area of bare wood for the glue to adhere to.
 
Yeh a decent repair guy will get that back together. Give Gibson a call they will give you a list of authorised or approved service workshops near you. Failing that get a few good recommendations first.
 
I have seen much worse than that and has been repaired with no evidence of any damage

Darrin bad call on the fraudulent claim suggestion not only will your insurance company drop your policy if they catch you as MShalarious mentioned but they can also press charges and if found guilty by a jury of your peers you can go to prison.
 
darrin_h2000 said:
Why...are you a cop???...Im just trying to help a guy in need not get fucked by an insurance company he make his premiums to.
He should aim for new or a used one...with a repair even if its is done right...it isnt worth a dime anymore...he should be able to get replacement...and if he pads on the year it might eat the deductable.
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So you're saying that the insurance company - and by extension everyone who has a similar policy with that company - should pay him for (1) not having a policy that will cover replacement value, and (2) being unwise enough to place a valuable in a situation that resulted in its getting damages?

You're a cheat.
 
muttley600 said:
Yeh a decent repair guy will get that back together. Give Gibson a call they will give you a list of authorised or approved service workshops near you. Failing that get a few good recommendations first.
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My local music store / franchise is the Canadian Gibson/Epiphone distributor, as well. That's where I got that guitar used 2 years ago, which I suspect was from rental dept.
 
johnnymegabyte said:
My local music store / franchise is the Canadian Gibson/Epiphone distributor, as well. That's where I got that guitar used 2 years ago, which I suspect was from rental dept.
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That should be your first port of call Saturday morning.;)
 
slowmotion said:
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I'd say that break is quite repairable. Just don't touch the bare wood where possible, keep it clean (as already suggested) and take it to a guitar doctor. They'll glue and clamp it (and retouch the finish blah blah) and the repair should hold stronger than the wood in the first place. It looks a lot better than some I've seen and there's a large surface area of bare wood for the glue to adhere to.
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Agreed - the wood sheared off pretty cleanly with minimal splintering. That shouldn't be too hard to repair at all.

Also, ignore darrin on his advice - insurance fraud isn't really the way you want to go here. :p
 
Muttley .... fer sure !!! Actually they're open till 9 Thurs & Friday.

Drew ... seriously, a clean break and checked hard and not one splinter on the carpet
 
the headstock on my gibson "the sg" was broken off some years ago when some bonehead at a warehouse show (who mighta been me) chucked it down a 20 ft slide. i used gorilla glue and kept it in a c-clamp for a few days. to this day it works fine and stays in tune. can't even really tell unless you're a couple feet away.
 
fat_fleet said:
the headstock on my gibson "the sg" was broken off some years ago when some bonehead at a warehouse show (who mighta been me) chucked it down a 20 ft slide. i used gorilla glue and kept it in a c-clamp for a few days. to this day it works fine and stays in tune. can't even really tell unless you're a couple feet away.
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I'm glad thats working for you but please please don't do this.:o

It is worth spending that little extra time and money to fix up a nice guitar.
 
Roguetitan said:
I have seen much worse than that and has been repaired with no evidence of any damage

Darrin bad call on the fraudulent claim suggestion not only will your insurance company drop your policy if they catch you as MShalarious mentioned but they can also press charges and if found guilty by a jury of your peers you can go to prison.
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It wouldnt be a fraudulant claim...its legit...he even had pictures.

I dont get how so many here would pay premiums every month for insurance thay are scared to use when they need it....Ive made 7 claims for things like roof dammage...theft...hail...etc...and my premuims never went up even once.

And I also know that he isnt going to get any money to repair this guitar...the deductable would be too high...and by the time he is done paying for that repair...a LP with a cracked neck isnt worth anything...and that is if a dependable repair is possible.

It isnt about scoring money...its about being able to replace the instrument without coming up with a large chunk of it...theres some of us that couldnt afford the deductable and that doesnt mean he deserves to lose his guitar.
 
darrin_h2000 said:
It wouldnt be a fraudulant claim...its legit...he even had pictures.

I dont get how so many here would pay premiums every month for insurance thay are scared to use when they need it....Ive made 7 claims for things like roof dammage...theft...hail...etc...and my premuims never went up even once.

And I also know that he isnt going to get any money to repair this guitar...the deductable would be too high...and by the time he is done paying for that repair...a LP with a cracked neck isnt worth anything...and that is if a dependable repair is possible.

It isnt about scoring money...its about being able to replace the instrument without coming up with a large chunk of it...theres some of us that couldnt afford the deductable and that doesnt mean he deserves to lose his guitar.
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Seeing as we have just made up and everything I'll try and be delicate.

What you advocated originally was fraud. I think you used the term "pad the claim because of age" or some such. If I get that right you mean lie about the age of the instrument and it's value in some way. That is fraud if the intention is to deceive the company into paying out more than is due. I deal with a lot of insurance claims on guitars as an authorised repar shop for a number of brands. I often have to give details of work carried out and confirm that damage is consistent with the claim. I cannot afford to be anything but honest about my assessments. Now that may not be relevant here because it's a break and a common one but there is no way you'd be able to pad a claim for damage like that to get the cost up to a new guitar without seriously compromising yourself. It's a few hundred bucks to repair max and you want a few thousand to replace.

On the matter of deductible or as we call them "excess" I would imagine that that is the same here as there and is payable regardless of the size of the claim. Also often here items above a certain limit have to be listed separately to be covered. By all means submit a claim but be honest about it. That repair if done right will not effect the value of the guitar hugely.

I would seriously advise against attempting to defraud insurance policies it is not a good idea and in the long term it is you and other honest folk that end up paying for it. It is NOT a victimless action.
 
muttley600 said:
That repair if done right will not effect the value of the guitar hugely.
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If he had to sell it...and I showed up...I would beat him to death on the price...I myself purchased an $1100 guitar last month with a rather simple electronics concern...I paid $50 for it....and it was because it was broken.

That LP might be able to be repaired...but not in a way that wont be noticable by anyone wishing to buy it...the good news is that glue joints can be stronger than the original wood...I did a Hamer body/neck joint a few months back and resold it...I paid $60 for it and got about $350.
 
darrin_h2000 said:
If he had to sell it...and I showed up...I would beat him to death on the price...I myself purchased an $1100 guitar last month with a rather simple electronics concern...I paid $50 for it....and it was because it was broken.

That LP might be able to be repaired...but not in a way that wont be noticable by anyone wishing to buy it...the good news is that glue joints can be stronger than the original wood...I did a Hamer body/neck joint a few months back and resold it...I paid $60 for it and got about $350.
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Two things...

Exaggerating the age of the guitar is a bad idea because the insurance company will probably ask for the serial number and research it before they cut a check.

My Black LP has similar damage repaired, and if I didn't tell you that when you looked at it I seriously doubt that you could tell.
 
ggunn said:
Two things...

Exaggerating the age of the guitar is a bad idea because the insurance company will probably ask for the serial number and research it before they cut a check.

My Black LP has similar damage repaired, and if I didn't tell you that when you looked at it I seriously doubt that you could tell.
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Yes to the fraud bit it is just plain wrong but there is no telling some people.

Also I have done a load of neck/headstock repairs that I guarantee no one would be able to spot.

Done properly the next time the guitar falls it is not going to break along the existing fracture.

If the repair is done by a Gibson authorized shop it still carries the original warranty.
 
ez_willis said:
yeah, you're fucked on that one. if you look at an intact LP, you will see a V-shaped glue line. if you get a clean break on that line the repair is relatively minor.
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nah, that's a good break to fix.
The key is how much wood there is to glue on. If it breaks more across the neck that's harder and usually requires pins and shit. But when they break like that there's a lot of wood surface to glue on and it'll hold quite well.
Now let me go read thru the thread and see if muttley agrees.
 
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