Fake Drums

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I wouldn't have guessed - I suppose the snare is too uniform to be real, but that wouldn't have occurred to me.

Love these two songs!!

I never could get my 18 yr. old daughter to sing. Dropped her off in Austin in August, though - freshman at UT. I don't worry a bit - that's a real straight laced school, I hear. And the town's full of tee-totaling church-goers.
 
I never could get my 18 yr. old daughter to sing. Dropped her off in Austin in August, though - freshman at UT.

lol...I'll trade you daughters RIGHT NOW. I couldn't get my 19 year old to stay in college, but by God, she'll sing for you. Just support her forever and she'll sing your head off!!!!
 
I think the drums on both songs sound great. I'm a superior 2.0 user, used to work with ezdrummer. I agree with Chili about the room mic, much better to set up a nice room verb on a send to get the kit to gel.

I think the guy that made the comment about the snare being too uniform just wanted to say something for the sake of mentioning your drums were fake. What we both know as users of the toontrack software is that it's impossible to get two identical hits back to back on any drum in ezdrummer so there is never a shotgun effect of the same sample being recalled. I trigger mine with V-drums which adds a bit more of a human element but you've done a really good job here and your daughter has a fantastic voice.

If you want to hear a uniform snare sound check out the butcher's hatchet job CLA made on the new Paramore album, ezdrummer is miles in front of that.
 
I think the guy that made the comment about the snare being too uniform just wanted to say something for the sake of mentioning your drums were fake.
that's pretty much true.

lol...I'll trade you daughters RIGHT NOW. I couldn't get my 19 year old to stay in college, but by God, she'll sing for you. Just support her forever and she'll sing your head off!!!!
:D -- give me 4 years and I'll have a lot less money and some direct insight on how much difference a bachelor degree makes when it come to getting them off the runway (so far vicarious insight is saying: not much)
 
Poetic Intensity was nice enough to send me real drums. I took a quick stab at a mix here. I thought he did a great job, and I like his sounds a lot better.


My Mix of PI's Drums


I haven't A/B'd the levels, and the mix is from the ground up, so who knows...but I like the way it feels.
 
Ever since I heard you and your daughter's music, via the thread with "Quicksand" and the drum "challenge", I've been a huge fan...and still am!

Great stuff!
 
nice recordings and great voice...

dont forget you can assign each drum to a different channel of your daw for more indepth tinkering and that the expansion kits are only $39 just now! great lil' programme :)
 
The first cut sounds like some of the best stuff coming out from Indi- Label Rounder Records in Boston. Love it...love the singer..love the tune and overall delivery.

An inconsequential nit would be that there's no crystalizing, emotive crux in the arrangement. The 'big bridge'. The 'bridge-lite' at 2:23 comes close...but it doesn't extend long enough...isn't played hard enough..and fizzles before the 'big O'. It could have been developed into a mightier sword. As it stands, it would have been nice to hear it much earlier in the tune...along with a more developed, more passionate...more differentiated version , at 2:23.

But that's just me: there's no doubt that this one can get airplay. It'd appeal to a wide audience...country, folk, blues. Wicked good.
 
Great sounding mix, man! This probably isn't the place to ask a question like this, but since it's my own drums I'm critiquing, I figure I'm safe in noting / asking this...

First off, I totally agree with assessment that this song is the bomb. I'm not even a country a fan, and I've listened to this song at least 20 times... I love it.

So... Why is my snare so freaking dark? I'm using an SM57 on the top, angled in, pointing just barely off from the center, approx. 1.5 inches up and in from the side. I've done everything I can think of except use different heads. Maybe that's it. Right now, I'm using an Evans single coated head on top, and a clear gretsch head on the bottom.

I could also mic the bottom, honing in on the crack of the snare. My problem with this, is I've heard people all over the place mic'ing the batter-head and getting super-bright results... Hmm... Gotta keep tinkering, but... ...anyone notice anything I'm doing wrong?

I EQ the crud out of it, and it still, compared to some of the other snare sounds I've heard, it sounds very, very dark.

Great song, though, Chris. 'Twas a pleasure playing along...
 
th snare when it does come in on "All that I've done" sounds slightly behind in the time scale of things for me...was it all recorded with the rim shots then the snare overlaid? I definately feel that snare track could be cut out and repositioned 8-12ms further ahead of where it is at the moment.

As for the tone of it, sounds like you made a simple mistake of boosting too far up the register to make it sound brighter when shaving a few db off the bottom end would have given it more clarity in the mix. To me, I can here too much bottom snares...probably because of the top end boost to try and make it brighter. Some times we forget making things brighter can be acomplished with a low end cut and no boosting at the top. I still think it's a great song and a fantastic vocal and without thinking about it too much it's the tubby sounding slightly late snare that distracts me from an otherwise great song all round.

Minor tweak to make a great song perfect.
 
th snare when it does come in on "All that I've done" sounds slightly behind in the time scale of things for me...was it all recorded with the rim shots then the snare overlaid? I definately feel that snare track could be cut out and repositioned 8-12ms further ahead of where it is at the moment.

As for the tone of it, sounds like you made a simple mistake of boosting too far up the register to make it sound brighter when shaving a few db off the bottom end would have given it more clarity in the mix. To me, I can here too much bottom snares...probably because of the top end boost to try and make it brighter. Some times we forget making things brighter can be acomplished with a low end cut and no boosting at the top. I still think it's a great song and a fantastic vocal and without thinking about it too much it's the tubby sounding slightly late snare that distracts me from an otherwise great song all round.

Minor tweak to make a great song perfect.


Thanks for listening, LT. You know, I hadn't listened in a few days, and I think I somehow shifted the drums a little at some point, LOL. I've noticed that if I screw up and don't have "snap" on when I'm cutting drums, I sometimes cut ahead or behind the beat, then when I line things up again with the snap ON, well...you can hear the result. Should be easy to fix, I hope.

As for the EQ...I didn't EQ the drums at all on "All That I've Done." There's a little boost on the acoustics...but that's really it in terms of EQ boosts. I can try pulling that bottom snare down a bit, but this song was the first one that I did, so I didn't even know that I could run the drums on sep tracks.

PoeticIntensity - I'm useless when it comes to recording drums...I've mixed a lot of them, but I have no idea about mic positions. What I DO know is that the dark snare is what I liked the most about the sound of your drums. Really gave me a Mick Fleetwood vibe that I can't say I've heard around here, and I love pulling elements from classic rock into these tunes...gives it an Americana vibe. Thanks again for playing.

jeffmaher - thanks a lot for the detailed thoughts. The plan with all of these home recordings is to demo them out well enough so that she can burn them and put them on CD's and sell at shows...and then just play the songs live and see which ones people react to and which ones people ask for. We've recorded probably about 60 of these tunes in the past 4 years, which is enough for 5 mediocre albums or one pretty solid one. We're 4 songs into a 6th "album," I guess (for lack of a better word), and when this one's done, she wants to pick 12-14 of the best tunes and record them "for real." This'll involve some new instruments and arrangements and re-writes that she's made on tunes after playing them live for awhile, so your comments aren't lost or wasted, and I appreciate them.

kcearl - suck it

whjr15- thanks a lot for that...it was a pretty cool thing to read.
 
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