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I have it also stored on a portable at home so I still had access...All looks good in the e-mail and now I just have to watch the bank and credit card accounts for the next month

I'll just add this to TAE's experience with the cloud:

Besides losing access to an account, some providers go out without any warning, sometimes.

The important thing is you got your data. That's all that matters. I've been wiped out before and it's like being hit by a tornado.

I've still got a drive in the freezer that i'm debating to send off or not. I'm thinking not, but just in case I need to drop the cash for a service, it's still there to try recovering.

Y'know, I have a 4 stack of JBOD. Not RAID. They're hot swappable and it's been running for over 3 years and never powered down once. Has its own UPS. It's notta big deal to do, but provides iron clad disc service. It's the only way to go, IMO.

And yes, I have a cold drive or two for stuff that "means a lot" to me. There's just no substitute for having it in my hands.

Ponder5
 
Yeah, this fairly OT, but any account where you have financial data, especially banking/credit cards, or cloud storage with business/personal critical data should have 2-factor authentication set up so access from a new device will require a second confirmation from your phone (e.g.).

If a place doesn't have 2-factor authentication, find another that does.

I've only had one bad experience with online transactions and that was with a tech vendor (fairly well known but which I had not used in years) where my account was hacked into (a leftover from when I had a bad habit of using the same email/pwd on just about everything) and they had a stored credit card that was still valid. I got an email about purchases, so I caught most of the stuff, and one item got shipped to me (duh... gaming keyboard, so kids bought the list from somewhere), and the vendor reversed most things but I had to go to the CC co. to have them cover the gift card that was purchased and redeemed electronically instantly. For some reason the vendor wouldn't cover that.

Anyway, the big lesson there was that I never store a credit card "for future use" at an online vendor. (And watch out, Amazon automatically stores a card when you use it, without asking, so you have to delete it after use, if you think they're a risk.)

I actually use PayPal a lot for purchases if it's an option so I don't have to enter my credit card data at a vendor's site.
 
Yeah, this fairly OT, but any account where you have financial data, especially banking/credit cards, or cloud storage with business/personal critical data should have 2-factor authentication set up so access from a new device will require a second confirmation from your phone (e.g.).

If a place doesn't have 2-factor authentication, find another that does.

I've only had one bad experience with online transactions and that was with a tech vendor (fairly well known but which I had not used in years) where my account was hacked into (a leftover from when I had a bad habit of using the same email/pwd on just about everything) and they had a stored credit card that was still valid. I got an email about purchases, so I caught most of the stuff, and one item got shipped to me (duh... gaming keyboard, so kids bought the list from somewhere), and the vendor reversed most things but I had to go to the CC co. to have them cover the gift card that was purchased and redeemed electronically instantly. For some reason the vendor wouldn't cover that.

Anyway, the big lesson there was that I never store a credit card "for future use" at an online vendor. (And watch out, Amazon automatically stores a card when you use it, without asking, so you have to delete it after use, if you think they're a risk.)

I actually use PayPal a lot for purchases if it's an option so I don't have to enter my credit card data at a vendor's site.

Ah! Well I DO have my credit card details lodged with Amazon but they are the ONLY people I deal with on line and it is just a CC, not attached to my bank. Never gas a problem in many years.

If perchance I want to buy from an online shop other than Zon I phone them* with my card numbers. Yes, I could still get ripped but I do that very infrequently and I would know where the problem started from? In fact it would be my wife's CC which Amazon have never known of and she uses it very rarely (except for $£"£!! QVC!)

*IF they don't have a number or say they cannot take phone orders they don't get my business! I am rarely if ever THAT bothered.

Dave.
 
Well we have CC's with Amazon and Paypal for Ebay and various places where it is used..( Not paypal fan cause of the fees) Wechat is the big thing in China and people pass money back and forth effortlessly and I've not heard any hack horror stories..I have a ton of travel places Hertz, multiple airline carriers, of course UBER that all have my credit card info..I have been trying to lock it all down to just one card and getting close...

On the gmail thing if you use Chrome and store passwords that's where this can get real dodgy...If they get into the account that you use to log into chrome...they have online access to all those passwords...Key is they have to be able to get into your password...I had pretty complex passwords but not as complex as mine are of recent years where they force you to use capitals letters, small letters, numbers and characters...That is the hardest to crack and the longer the better...

In my case they did get into my account that is also my chrome account...YIKES I had no idea how many passwords I had saved HOLY SHIT 100's..now most banks and financial institutions are not password savable and none of mine are EXCEPT paypal....oops! They tried to hit it 3 times for @ $3K fortunately Paypal saw it as fraud and didn't process...it is actually what tipped me that I had been hacked...

So Lesson Take away...Anything website where your credit card info is stored where you can buy stuff like bitcoin or shit DON't store the passwords to those accounts in your browser..

I called the police and there is no entity to report this to...that sucks unless I actually had lost money ...They did warn me to keep an eye on my credit reports closely for the next 30 days...and I will...dang!
 
Sometimes it feels like Americans are allergic to security. Why do you still use magstripes on CC? Your ATM's run Windows, FFS...

The entire business of "online" banking started here, in Belgium, way before the internet existed. First, we had top drop security because Germany and France considered our security system unfair competition. We already had it implemented, they would need to invest. The EU accepted that argument.

Years later, the USA forced the company to become a US company (Banksys), or face the consequences. The security level was lowered once again, to cater for the US banking system. And now there's a real problem, because magstripes are still around and OTP doesn't seem to get implemented in the USA. Too difficult for the average Murican, I'm told. But 2FA is promoted as the next best thing.

2FA isn't security, as long as cellphone providers are so insecure. You can snatch a US cellphone number in minutes, provided you do the research. Not that it's that much better in Europe. T-Mobile, for instance is just a clusterfuck when it comes to security. Just a few months ago, their entire Austrian customer database was accessible online for everyone with one password for all users that was limited to 8 characters. Takes about 5 minutes to crack. I suppose it has already been copied, unless organised crime was too busy.

The only major country that's worse, is Russia. Not because of technical stuff, but because organised crime in Russia is capable of real atrocities. Col. Kurtz level. Like they once kidnapped a Banksys technician's 14 year old daughter because he refused to plant malware on ATM's. They dropped her in a brothel in some faraway corner, to return her to het parents when she was just over 18.

Compared to Russia and the USA, China is very safe. The Chinese are too intelligent to hack a Chinese system. Why would they? Hacking a US system is far easier and it is easy to find mules in the US. That's one of the reasons the Chinese consider Americans as being terribly naive. Besides, you get your head chopped off for serious crime in China. Like these guys who turned used motor oil into deep-fryer oil, resulting in four children dying. And it doesn't take years to wait for confirmation of the verdict.

I mean, the US senate not so long ago bought new access control cards. 32$ a piece. They were sure they wanted chip cards. Some vendor sold them magstripe cards with a picture of a chip on them. That lasted for a year, before anyone realised it. That vendor is now excluded from selling to the senate, but they still sell their stuff to the rest of .gov. Nobody was prosecuted for fraud. Can you get that? I can't.

The examples are endless...
 
Sometimes it feels like Americans are allergic to security. Why do you still use magstripes on CC? Your ATM's run Windows, FFS...

The entire business of "online" banking started here, in Belgium, way before the internet existed. First, we had top drop security because Germany and France considered our security system unfair competition. We already had it implemented, they would need to invest. The EU accepted that argument.

Years later, the USA forced the company to become a US company (Banksys), or face the consequences. The security level was lowered once again, to cater for the US banking system. And now there's a real problem, because magstripes are still around and OTP doesn't seem to get implemented in the USA. Too difficult for the average Murican, I'm told. But 2FA is promoted as the next best thing.

2FA isn't security, as long as cellphone providers are so insecure. You can snatch a US cellphone number in minutes, provided you do the research. Not that it's that much better in Europe. T-Mobile, for instance is just a clusterfuck when it comes to security. Just a few months ago, their entire Austrian customer database was accessible online for everyone with one password for all users that was limited to 8 characters. Takes about 5 minutes to crack. I suppose it has already been copied, unless organised crime was too busy.

The only major country that's worse, is Russia. Not because of technical stuff, but because organised crime in Russia is capable of real atrocities. Col. Kurtz level. Like they once kidnapped a Banksys technician's 14 year old daughter because he refused to plant malware on ATM's. They dropped her in a brothel in some faraway corner, to return her to het parents when she was just over 18.

Compared to Russia and the USA, China is very safe. The Chinese are too intelligent to hack a Chinese system. Why would they? Hacking a US system is far easier and it is easy to find mules in the US. That's one of the reasons the Chinese consider Americans as being terribly naive. Besides, you get your head chopped off for serious crime in China. Like these guys who turned used motor oil into deep-fryer oil, resulting in four children dying. And it doesn't take years to wait for confirmation of the verdict.

I mean, the US senate not so long ago bought new access control cards. 32$ a piece. They were sure they wanted chip cards. Some vendor sold them magstripe cards with a picture of a chip on them. That lasted for a year, before anyone realised it. That vendor is now excluded from selling to the senate, but they still sell their stuff to the rest of .gov. Nobody was prosecuted for fraud. Can you get that? I can't.

The examples are endless...

WOW.... Please don't crack my shizz... :)
 
I'm sorry, man. Had to get that off my chest.

And as I didn't comprehend the expression, I had to look it up. The first site that tried to explain it, had auto censored itself in order not to ruin their Google rating. Sad.
 
Redundancy and Multiple Locations

Whether you back up music, family photos, or classified files- the best way to back them up is to have them backed up multiple times on hard drives that are in different locations. I currently have a Samsung 500 gb SSD for traveling, 2 WD 4TB (SATA, not sure if 5400 or 7200 RPM) and I have 1TB Google Cloud Drive. .

The reason I have so many is because I use a Mac Pro in the studio and the HD space is limited, (mine came with a 256 gb HD and I move around a lot so I need to be able to do stuff on my laptop when I can so that is one of he reasons I use the Samsung.

I haven’t tried to record directly to the Samsung SSD but it runs on thunderbold 3 on my laptop and USB 3 on my Mac Pro. Understand that any drive, regardless of whether it is a SSD or not, can only be as fast as the connection speed, in your case would be a USB 3 which ranges from I think 5-20 GB per second- so that should be fine.

As far as the WD drives, I use them on the the Mac Pro only, and they work fine, but they are way too slow to record onto in real time.

Another thing to do is think about potential problems. How is the weather generally? Do you get a lot of thunderstorms? Earthquakes? How is the wiring in he building/house of the studio? If you don’t anticipate any major power issues, and the drives are in a relatively cool, dry, and dust free environment, you should be fine with any WD Drive. Again, while I am sure the fancier ones will also be do the job, power surges happen, floods happen, etc. so it is important to think about that as I have heard of plenty of supposedly power surge protected equipment still getting fried.

As for getting data off of a messed up HD, it depends on the damage. If it is very damaged, you need to have a specialist do it in a clean room environment and they charge $1000 just to look at the drive. I have heard of some of the clean room data extractors who have performed miricles and have gotten data off of drives that were in fires, etc. but again, it would cost at least $1000 and up to $5K or more.

Hope this helped!





Need some serious help here. I've reached the point where I definitely need to get an external hard drive; for back-up mainly, I'll look into running sessions from it once I get it, but the main concern is back-up. I have 30+ sessions on my PC, and not backed up at all. So obviously, I need to change that.

I've done plenty of research, but would like to know what some you of here use, or would suggest for me.

Here's my set-up:

*Pro Tools 12.3
*HP EliteDesk 800 G2 TWR PC 64-Bit
*Intel Core i5 6500 CPU @3.20GHz @3.20GHz (Why 3.20GHz is listed twice in the description is beyond me, duel core?)
*16 GB RAM
*1 TB Hard Drive (not sure what kind/brand of hard drive though, SATA, I believe)
*8 USB 3.0 ports, 2 USB 2.0 (funny, my iLok only works in the 2.0 slots, but that's neither here nor there)
*No Firewire or Thunderbolt ports, but 2 Display ports (monitor is HDMI, had to get an HDMI to Dispay adapter to use the monitor, but again that's neither here nor there...)
*Windows7 Pro (Service Pack 1)
*This PC is offline

I'm sure some of that info is irrelevant, just thought I'd include it all.

I've done the research on a few, some people like SSD's, some don't. AVID reccomends the OWC Mercury Elite, there's also the Glyph Studio, and the Transcend MLC. And I'm sure a bunch more.

Again, my main concern is back-up. And if I ever upgrade to a new/better PC with Windows10 or above, having all your sessions on an external drive makes it easy to transfer/use the sessions on the new PC, correct? (I was also thinking of eventually getting the UAD Apollo 8, which only runs on Windows10 I believe, so a new system would be needed)(I think I need Firewire or Thunderbolt ports for this as well) But even if I never up-grade, back-up is still obviously needed.

Anyways, I'm ready to buy the drive now, just don't want to make the wrong purchase. I've been to my local Micro Center, but wasn't thrilled with the selection, and I don't think BestBuy would be any different. Looks like it will have to be ordered.

Any help/suggestions?
 
Whether you back up music, family photos, or classified files- the best way to back them up is to have them backed up multiple times on hard drives that are in different locations. I currently have a Samsung 500 gb SSD for traveling, 2 WD 4TB (SATA, not sure if 5400 or 7200 RPM) and I have 1TB Google Cloud Drive. .

The reason I have so many is because I use a Mac Pro in the studio and the HD space is limited, (mine came with a 256 gb HD and I move around a lot so I need to be able to do stuff on my laptop when I can so that is one of he reasons I use the Samsung.

I haven’t tried to record directly to the Samsung SSD but it runs on thunderbold 3 on my laptop and USB 3 on my Mac Pro. Understand that any drive, regardless of whether it is a SSD or not, can only be as fast as the connection speed, in your case would be a USB 3 which ranges from I think 5-20 GB per second- so that should be fine.

As far as the WD drives, I use them on the the Mac Pro only, and they work fine, but they are way too slow to record onto in real time.

Another thing to do is think about potential problems. How is the weather generally? Do you get a lot of thunderstorms? Earthquakes? How is the wiring in he building/house of the studio? If you don’t anticipate any major power issues, and the drives are in a relatively cool, dry, and dust free environment, you should be fine with any WD Drive. Again, while I am sure the fancier ones will also be do the job, power surges happen, floods happen, etc. so it is important to think about that as I have heard of plenty of supposedly power surge protected equipment still getting fried.

As for getting data off of a messed up HD, it depends on the damage. If it is very damaged, you need to have a specialist do it in a clean room environment and they charge $1000 just to look at the drive. I have heard of some of the clean room data extractors who have performed miricles and have gotten data off of drives that were in fires, etc. but again, it would cost at least $1000 and up to $5K or more.

Hope this helped!

Here is the deal, from my experience. Worst case obviously but it happens.

If you have a complete platter failure , then you are absolutely 100% fucked. I had that happen to two OS drives running in RAID 1. It was either a power surge or some fucked up spike that made them both fail at basically the same point in time. I will never know because they both were a complete loss.. And yes, these drives were given to a data retrieval place that charged $2000+ for data recovery. They found the drives complete failure. No possibility of data recovery.

The end result for me from that is that there is no 'perfect backup'. I now go so redundant with backups that I may look like a 'hoarder'. But I will be damned if I will be fucked ever again. And I surely will not have to go through telling a band that they need to re-record 200 hours of recording because my shit failed.

There is not any 'fail safe' backup. Just buy drives and back shit up. Or throw the dice and hope it lands on the red. Or black...

I will never trust in a cloud service for music backup. Nor would I place my recording computer on the internet.

On an off note, I have had to change my business credit card number and passwords 5 times in the last two years. Fucking scammers are bullshit!

Target, Home Depot, Wallmart, have all been hacked... You think some offline cloud service (especially the ones that Google owns) are not the source for this bullshit?

I can just talk to my wife about organic milk, and somehow there is a sudden add for milk on my FB page. Look in, and the rights to my phone mic/videos/pictures are enabled for Google. There it is....
 
I mean, the US senate not so long ago bought new access control cards. 32$ a piece. They were sure they wanted chip cards. Some vendor sold them magstripe cards with a picture of a chip on them. That lasted for a year, before anyone realised it. That vendor is now excluded from selling to the senate, but they still sell their stuff to the rest of .gov. Nobody was prosecuted for fraud. Can you get that? I can't.

Where are you getting this info from...?

I know for a fact that the DoD uses chip CACs...and they've been using them, oh...for about 10-15 now, with PW access having been eliminated for quite awhile.
That may not apply to Congress as they are not part of the DoD...but I don't see how if a chip CAC was wanted because the systems used chip CACs...then how would a magstripe CAC with a painted chip be used for a year "before anyone realized it"...???
I mean...how would the magstripe CACs even work for a year without anyone noticing if chip CACs were what their systems required?

AFA China...well, most of their high-end technology came from the USA...so then why wouldn't the USA also have it...??? :D
I think maybe people read too many stories from media outlets that are more in the business of creating content than providing truth. ;)

Not saying that chip credit cards are not a bit late here in the USA...but then, the USA probably has more retail merchants than all of Europe combined...so as much as government wants to push technology, it also has to be cognizant of how easily the transition can occur without total disruption of retail services.

The other thing is that countries like China or Russia don't tell when they've been hacked too quickly or easily...they will deny even when it happens.
The USA hacks them back probably as much as they hack the USA...they just don't let on they've been hacked, especially China.
Also...everyone wants to hack the USA, because it has most of what everyone wants.
 
You think some offline cloud service (especially the ones that Google owns) are not the source for this bullshit?

Rest assured Google isn't letting your credit card info out...If they got it ...they got it elsewhere and Google could care less about your credit cards ...they roll on the data of what you do out there on the net...where you visit and what you buy or don't buy, what you click on , what you don't...for me that's fine..well worth the price of admission to the bevy of tools they provide me.

Gotta say that though I am now waiting for google AI to decide my one "locked out / on security hold" fate...(will I get it back or not ..only time will tell)...In the big picture I am blown away at the strength of their security..Unless you are a very famous person with a TON of influence you are not going to get into google accounts easily ..even if you are an employee in the nest..Incredible security steps...If you have a "free" gmail account and have lost your password..hacked whatever...you either know the data and answers Google AI requires from or you are screwed...

Fingers are crossed that the algorithms they use trigger release of a password reset to me or I am screwed on that one e-mail...not happy but conversely...neither can the hacker get into it now that it is on security hold.

I am 100% a believer in the google security...my bad was not having a complicated enough password and not setting up enough / multiple back up recovery options so that I didn't get locked out when trying to get a password reset...

In regards to the cloud backup...again it is awesome...I don't have to do anything it just happens...and redundancy is the physical drive I have in my home...Locked out I still had access to the same files...but if lightning strikes home...It's all out there safe in Googleland.
 
Where are you getting this info from...?

I know for a fact that the DoD uses chip CACs...and they've been using them, oh...for about 10-15 now, with PW access having been eliminated for quite awhile.
That may not apply to Congress as they are not part of the DoD...but I don't see how if a chip CAC was wanted because the systems used chip CACs...then how would a magstripe CAC with a painted chip be used for a year "before anyone realized it"...???
I mean...how would the magstripe CACs even work for a year without anyone noticing if chip CACs were what their systems required?

It was the access control system. The badge they used to get into the building. Not the most important system, surely, but still, how does your gov get fooled into paying far too much for a magstripe card with the photo of a chip on it?

And it worked because it still used the magstripe reader. That still worked because not all access gates had been updated yet.

The entire sec community was laughing their asses off when it got out. MSM was ignoring it completely as it doesn't fit into their reality.

AFA China...well, most of their high-end technology came from the USA...so then why wouldn't the USA also have it...??? :D
I think maybe people read too many stories from media outlets that are more in the business of creating content than providing truth. ;)

A lot of China's tech is developed by the Chinese. They copy a lot of stuff too as that is the summum of flattery in China. If you have a good design, someone will copy it. And you, as a good designer, shouldn't cry about it. You're on your next great design, aren't you. And most crypto is European/Israeli/Russian.

And since you talk about DOD. How come DOD servers have been repeatedly hacked by teenagers, from a "Hacking for absolute beginners" book? The DOD should be hiding their heads in shame. In stead, they want to put these teenagers in jail. Pitiful.

Another example: the US army spent billions developing planes and ships that have a near invisible radar profile. The Chinese spent millions developing a quantum radar that renders all of that completely useless.

The point about that router wasn't that the firmware was copied. The point was that some US agency found the backdoor, accused the Chinese, resulting in the Chinese company getting barred from selling in the US while it was another US agency that put the backdoor in in the first place. Of course, we don't know if the backdoor was put in to spy on the Chinese. It was probably put in to spy on everyone.

And it's not the only example. The Russians got into big trouble some years ago, because the US software they copied to manage gas- and oil pipelines, was booby-trapped by some US agency. Fortunately, they found out before thousands of people died. Similarily, the Iranian nuclear enrichment plants were taken out by dodgy controller software that made the centrifuges spin out of control once in a while. That was US software, manipulated by the Duqu virus, provided by Israel. When analyzed, Israel's signature was all over and DUQU even means "reconnaissance" in ancient Hebrew.

Not saying that chip credit cards are not a bit late here in the USA...but then, the USA probably has more retail merchants than all of Europe combined...so as much as government wants to push technology, it also has to be cognizant of how easily the transition can occur without total disruption of retail services.

It's the public's reluctance to pin codes and OTP's that keeps amazing me. Sure, CC's are insured, so the public has an image that they'll never loose their money because of CC fraud. Until they do. And they don't keep into account that the cost of insurance is included in the products they buy.

And, no, the number of retail merchants in the US is simply dwarfed by the number in China. Over there, almost all of them have the latest payment methods and chip card readers. There's even several chains operating without any personnel in the store. Full automatic. And I'm not talking about guns :D

There's another example how things are severely rotten in the states. A while ago, the DHS and NSA offered the states to do a pentest on their servers. Four states declined the offer, mainly because they already had a sec solution from the private sector. Possibly also because they didn't trust NSA/DHS. Their servers were pentested anyway and the DHS/NSA got caught immediately. Result: nothing. It seems DHS/NSA can operate illegally, even inside the USA.

Border control is one of the agencies that has had scanners for electronic ID's for years. Apparently, they never get used, because nobody knows how and because there's no connection to a central computer system to verify data. Meanwhile, Canada is warning it's citizens travelling to the US not to take any cash, as they are likely to get robbed by... the police...

That sort of fraud (suppliers selling systems to the gov they know don't work) happens all over the world. It's certainly not US specific. But the way it happens in the US, without ever changing anything, is surprising, to put it mildly. I'm not surprised your elections got hacked. I'm only surprised only the Russians got caught doing it. I mean, why would China, Israel or North Korea not be involved? These election systems are so unsafe, you could only conclude it is by design. If not, it is an incredibly bad design.

Over here, election computers' software is open source. It has been vetted by four universities, two of them specialise in crypto. One of those discovered the flaws in Intel processors. And these possible backdoors have been found even in ancient Atom processors. It seems everything coming after the 80286 has them. Stupidity? Or clever design? That's a product with a known backdoor (Intel Management Engine) with hardcoded hidden accounts in it and at least four other, well hidden backdoors...

The other thing is that countries like China or Russia don't tell when they've been hacked too quickly or easily...they will deny even when it happens.
The USA hacks them back probably as much as they hack the USA...they just don't let on they've been hacked, especially China.
Also...everyone wants to hack the USA, because it has most of what everyone wants.

All these hacking stories lead to the same conclusion: industrial espionage. Remember the Airbus/Boeing controverse of some years ago? Everyone knew that some US agency copied Airbus' mails. It resulted in a court case, but of course you can't prove anything cyber related beyond reasonable doubt.

The funny thing is, all this knowledge is out there. Free for anyone to study. And even for the mildly interested, there are things like Norkring's worldwide attack page. You can see what's going on:

Norse Attack Map

Funny to watch.
 
Not really sure what your point is...that hacking happens...?
OK....but it's happening across the globe.

If you feel uber-secure wherever you are...I'm happy for you.
I feel just fine here in the USA.... more so than I would in China, Russia or most of Europe.
I mean...if someone hacks my credit card, bank account, etc...it's all covered...but no one is going to hack my DAW or my backup files, which is what were talking about here.

AFA your Norse Attack Map...you can see that the USA is attacking just like all the other big players....and even Belgium gets targeted.
So this is the global reality...but I don't think it has much to do with which kind of external backup drive someone should get for their DAW...:D....though it may be food for thought for people who back up to some cloud service, in whatever country.
Bottom line...the big players on the world map will have the most attacking coming and going...it's just how it is. I mean, I don't find that really surprising at all nor am I losing any sleep over it.
 
So it doesn't bother you that democracy is just a fake word?

It seems it is bothering a lot of Americans. They move. And at least some of them end up here. They like it. We've got a lot of great beers. And even wine too, lately. Besides, France is next door... :D
 
So it doesn't bother you that democracy is just a fake word?

It seems it is bothering a lot of Americans. They move. And at least some of them end up here. They like it. We've got a lot of great beers. And even wine too, lately. Besides, France is next door... :D

Oh please...let's not go there and turn this into politics.
You're making grand speculations based on minimal information 'cuz a few people showed up there...?
I can bet per year, the USA still has more people coming in and wanting to come in...than any other country...so you can stick that in your pipe and smoke it. :D

IMO...the fake democracy is in much of Europe.
Most countries are being run by the European Union, and Germany calls the shots with that...or will you say it's not so? ;)

Let's keep this about external hard drives. :thumbs up:
 
So it doesn't bother you that democracy is just a fake word?

It seems it is bothering a lot of Americans. They move. And at least some of them end up here. They like it. We've got a lot of great beers. And even wine too, lately. Besides, France is next door... :D

Wow........why the distain / hate for us Americans?
 
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