EVH Quits Latest Tour Plans

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CHemical addictions are dealy nad scary....and many never see that untill it is too late. THere is waaay to much talk of how cool it is to be a drunken, stoned rock star. That idea is fiction. The reality of being a drunken stoned rock star is not a pretty thing.

BUT...there is something weird that happens..and it's not all that uncommon....some musicians who abuse substances really ARE better BEFORE they quit. They seem to have something to say while they are using that is lost when they quit. The loss of that "thing" is what makes it seem like they rocked while on drugs but suck while sober. It is very strange.
 
I'm so fucking sick of van halens bullshit. It's always something that keeps them from giving their fans what they want. They know we've waited two fucking decades for a reunion and still they have to let it get fucked up. I want to see them rock with roth god damnit! :mad:
 
Sirnothingness said:
I'm so fucking sick of van halens bullshit. It's always something that keeps them from giving their fans what they want. They know we've waited two fucking decades for a reunion and still they have to let it get fucked up. I want to see them rock with roth god damnit! :mad:

Yeah so do many of us - Eddie is a screwed up dickhead, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a great experience to see them live - I never got the chance before...
 
His best albums were made when he and Roth were on the Cocaine Train.

People are always up on him picking his brain, for 30 years no less, I'd get sick of that too.

And I don't think there has been a more inventive guitarist, let me know if there was or is, really.

1. The hammer on thing
2. Tapping
3. His setup
4. He put the first humbucker in a strat.
5. designed at least two guitars, at least.
6. Helped design his own amps
7. The d-tuna thing
8. dipping the humbucker in wax
9. dive bombs
10. all kinds of sounds no one else can get out of a guitar.
11. Plus he's a kickass piano player.

The biggest thing is that he has soul and feel. The way he puts the songs together has feeling like no other for that type of music.
 
Zed10R said:
CHemical addictions are dealy nad scary....and many never see that untill it is too late. THere is waaay to much talk of how cool it is to be a drunken, stoned rock star. That idea is fiction. The reality of being a drunken stoned rock star is not a pretty thing.

BUT...there is something weird that happens..and it's not all that uncommon....some musicians who abuse substances really ARE better BEFORE they quit. They seem to have something to say while they are using that is lost when they quit. The loss of that "thing" is what makes it seem like they rocked while on drugs but suck while sober. It is very strange.

I would imagine that when a young rocker makes the big time, that influx of cash makes it difficult to do anything in Moderation. When buying a watch it has to be a Rolex.
When buying a Car in has to be a Ferrari.
A small party habit might become a disaster. You'd think at 51 years old though a person would ease up a bit though.
 
Many years ago, in a jazz history class, our professor posed the question: If there were no drugs or drug addiction, what would happen to many of those pieces of art, music, or literature that we have learned to consider as "the greats"? Would the artists ever have rendered them, without the experience of drugs? The overwhelming majority answer was no. Most of us, myself included, shared the belief that many of our so called masters might have never even been noticed if not for their ability to channel the highs and lows of addiction into their art. In the self-sacrifice of the drug indulgent artist, we are provided with a new and more meaningful image of ourselves, which is something that I believe we all strive to find.

Many of our so-called great musicians suffered terribly in the throes of their addictions, and in that suffering were able to access places within the soul that had not yet been reached in that particular, profound way. That is why they became "greats", because of our naturally curious nature and our need for more - our emotional minds beg for each day to be bigger, better, faster than the one before ( yeah it's a 4 Non Blondes album title - so what - it's true)...

I pity Eddie for what he has been through, and I miss listening to his amazing talents. Yet he's also come across to me as an arrogant, self-centered fool. Whereas his work with the guitar has always fascinated and inspired me, his personality has always seemed to be that of someone I don't like to be around...
 
I don't even know what you mean by the 'hammer on thing' other than tapping, but certainly you realize dive bombs were apart of Hendrix's playing well before EVH was around right? Not to say EVH isn't inventive (cause he is) but there's plenty of guitarists out there who design guitars/amps and do all sorts of unique setups.
 
Of course, Eddie didn't invent hammer ons or tapping. He just did what many players do, and adopted them to his style of playing, and very nicely I might add. It is a shame that substance abuse and ego have tainted a hall of fame career. Having listened to VH since their intro in 1978, I must admit that the best of his writing and playing came early on (IMHO) and can only hope for some more great music before VH is 'officially' disbanded. I will NOT however, be holding my breath. What a shame.
 
darrvid said:
I don't even know what you mean by the 'hammer on thing' other than tapping, but certainly you realize dive bombs were apart of Hendrix's playing well before EVH was around right? Not to say EVH isn't inventive (cause he is) but there's plenty of guitarists out there who design guitars/amps and do all sorts of unique setups.

A lot of people think that "Hammer on's" are tapping.
Hammer on's are what eddie did in eruption usually two or 3 frets above his left hand with his right hand. (If your right handed)

Tapping is accomplished when you hit a harmonic with your right hand 12 frets above the note you are holding with your left hand. (If your right handed) you can hear this in "Dance the Night away" and the intro to "Women in Love".
 
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darrvid said:
I don't even know what you mean by the 'hammer on thing' other than tapping, but certainly you realize dive bombs were apart of Hendrix's playing well before EVH was around right? Not to say EVH isn't inventive (cause he is) but there's plenty of guitarists out there who design guitars/amps and do all sorts of unique setups.

Yes, but only a handfull of guitarists have influenced a few generations of other guitarists the way Eddie has.
 
Was there even a dive bomb in all the 70's before Eddie?

I'll tell you just a few reasons why He became my Hero.
Rock was dying, if not dead and he changed that with his uniqueness.
Nobody was talking about guitar for a long time and then Boom! Eddie comes along with sounds nobody ever heard, and rocking hard by the way.

He always looked happy and exited to be playing, and when all the other guys were dead-assed standing there playing tired old shit, Eddie was putting on a show, a Circus. He made it look like fun up there.
 
capnkid said:
A lot of people think that "Hammer on's" are tapping.
Hammer on's are what eddie did in eruption usually two or 3 frets above his left hand with his right hand. (If your right handed)

Tapping is accomplished when you hit a harmonic with your right hand 12 frets above the note you are holding with your left hand. (If your right handed) you can hear this in "Dance the Night away" and the intro to "Women in Love".
Not quite. Hammer ons are when you use a fret hand finger to hit or 'hammer' the note to make it sound without using a pick. Tapping is using a pick finger to accomplish this. Tapped harmonics is the other technique you are referring to and they can be used at any harmonic interval on the fingerboard, not just octaves.
 
gbdweller said:
Not quite. Hammer ons are when you use a fret hand finger to hit or 'hammer' the note to make it sound without using a pick. Tapping is using a pick finger to accomplish this. Tapped harmonics is the other technique you are referring to and they can be used at any harmonic interval on the fingerboard, not just octaves.


You're close, but no cigar. Hammer ons are when you use a fret hand finger to hammer the note, when you include your right hand, it's called a right handed hammer on.

Tapping is what I mentioned above.
 
No matter if he invented the techniques he certainly mastered them. He did those things in such a way that everyone wanted to sound like him and he's earned his place in the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame.

Anyone know why Alex didn't show up? Ed had his excuse.

Thought it was really big of Michael and Sammy to show up accept and honor Edward in his absence. I thought they handled it like a couple of real class acts. In spite of all the crap the band has been through.
 
punkin said:
No matter if he invented the techniques he certainly mastered them. He did those things in such a way that everyone wanted to sound like him and he's earned his place in the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame.

Anyone know why Alex didn't show up? Ed had his excuse.

Thought it was really big of Michael and Sammy to show up accept and honor Edward in his absence. I thought they handled it like a couple of real class acts. In spite of all the crap the band has been through.

I might have appreciated his technique more if VHs music didn't come across to me as being juvenile. I am aware of his influence on the instrument but those techniques have never done anything for me and I have never bothered to try and learn any cause it ain't my thing.
When VH came out, songs like Hot for Teacher just turned me off. I couldn't relate.
None of this detracts from his greatness though.

Carry on :)
 
dragonworks said:
When VH came out, songs like Hot for Teacher just turned me off. I couldn't relate.

When they came out? That song was on the last actual VH album, before they got Sammy and turned into a beer commercial band. Their first three albums were the best, to me. And most of the guys I know that like em like em for those, too. When Ed started going with keys, he made a big mistake. Just listen to "Right Now" - it's awful, watered down, "acceptable to the parents" junk. Oh well.
 
gibson59neck said:
When they came out? That song was on the last actual VH album, before they got Sammy and turned into a beer commercial band. Their first three albums were the best, to me. And most of the guys I know that like em like em for those, too. When Ed started going with keys, he made a big mistake. Just listen to "Right Now" - it's awful, watered down, "acceptable to the parents" junk. Oh well.

whatever, I didn't and still don't pay any attention to them for the reasons mentioned. There are a lot of bands I used to listen to that just don't do it for me anymore cause there music is for drug crazed sex starved teenagers. Zep and Floyd being two of them. I saw Floyd 3 times when I was younger, one of my faves, saw Zep at the show they recorded the song remains the same. Today if they were to be played on the radio station I was listening to at the moment I would just change the station.
 
dragonworks said:
whatever, I didn't and still don't pay any attention to them for the reasons mentioned. There are a lot of bands I used to listen to that just don't do it for me anymore cause there music is for drug crazed sex starved teenagers. Zep and Floyd being two of them. I saw Floyd 3 times when I was younger, one of my faves, saw Zep at the show they recorded the song remains the same. Today if they were to be played on the radio station I was listening to at the moment I would just change the station.
Nah, I hear ya. All of us change perspectives as we grow older. How many times can we hear the same songs and still feel that electricity we did the first time? Personally, there's a lot of classic rock that makes me really mad, because it was never that good but they play it and play it and play it, like it still NEEDS to be heard. (The Who and The Doors are two bands I never liked or understood, but they are given GOD status because of when they came out.)

Oh shucks. Time to move on.
 
capnkid said:
You're close, but no cigar. Hammer ons are when you use a fret hand finger to hammer the note, when you include your right hand, it's called a right handed hammer on.

Tapping is what I mentioned above.


I'm pretty sure gbdweller has you on that. I didn't say I didn't know what you were talking about out of ignorance of guitar techniques. I said that because 'hammer on thing' isn't really a technique, its a vague description of a technique (sorry if that sounds harsh, not meaning this post to be so)

The general term for 'hammer on' is pressing your finger against the fretboard to make the note sound rather than plucking the string (with a pick, finger, telekinesis, etc) This in no way was first mastered by EVH.

Yes, you can call it a rhh (right hand hammer on) which they will do in tab when it's not something you continue to do. It's likely going to be called tapping if its a sequence of notes (ie playing guitar much like you'd play piano)

I know one thing for certain, the generic phrase 'tapping' is not a form of harmonic as you stated.

(yeah, thats all kinda off topic, but its the guitar forum- this needs to be debated!) :D
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Anyway, I just never saw EVH as a savior of guitar or music. I tend to see him as being a huge influence, but influencing music in a way I don't like.
 
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