Ford Van
Banned
SonicAlbert said:Maybe what's wrong is that you have a DSP4000 within arms reach and you don't bother reaching for it? Multiply that times the rest of humanity and there you have it.
Good point! I can tell you, I would be using that box if it was sitting here! While it isn't quite as convienent as a plugin, it isn't wholly inconvienent either!
Shame on you pipelineaudio! Shame on you!!!
Don't even ask pipelineaudio about all the cool eqs and compressors that sit in his rack, NEVER being used at mix time!
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Dr. Jeep
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To reveal more of my ignorance - how many sends can be routed to an H3000? And if more than one, can you use multiple effects simultaneously in one mix session? Like pitchshift on vox - verb on drums - etc?
Ford Van
Banned
Dr. Jeep said:
It doesn't really "stack" effects. Some of the presets are two effects combined (like the Dual Shift which is a pitch shifter and delay.
It is stereo in, and stereo out. I suppose you could use the Dual shift, and have one side just do delay, and the other side just do pitch shift. But, this is not a box that is set up to be more than a single effect at a time.
This isn't like a crappy little Alesis/digitech/ART multi effect box that does gobs of effects all at once, but rather poorly. It is a box that will do one or two effect (usually working together) in a VERY HIGH QUALITY fashion! Since it is appearent that many of you have never used a high end effects processor, you will have a hard time believing just how much better effects sound with a killer box like this compared to the junky stuff you are used to! But let me tell you, something like the H3000 just simply smokes just about any plugin and/or lower priced box you can think of trying to do the same thing.
No, the H3000 isn't the "best" reverb/delay/chorus/flanger I have heard, but it IS the best pitch shifter, and in those other catagories, it is "one of the best" I have heard! So overall, it is a high quality box!
Ford Van
Banned
If I had to pick three effect units that I would have to live with for the rest of my life, it would be a Lexicon PCM 42, Lexicon PCM 90 (or 91), and a Eventide H series box (I haven't used the H4000, but will assume that it was an improvement over the H3000.....even if it is better, I would be happy with a H3000 though!)
If I wanted a more "retro" reverb, I suppose the Lexicon 480L would work. It is a great box, but won't do the more "modern" reverb sounds like the 90 will. Although, the Doppler in the 480L is cool as shit!
If I wanted a more "retro" reverb, I suppose the Lexicon 480L would work. It is a great box, but won't do the more "modern" reverb sounds like the 90 will. Although, the Doppler in the 480L is cool as shit!
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Dr. Jeep
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Cool. If you were on a budget and working in the box as I am - would you use a H3000 as a primary effects unit and print the effects to your tracks once satisfied - that way you could free it up for other uses down the line? Or is it better to be a sends only unit that you just devote to your vocals etc?
I guess I would appreciate the quality but also be frustrated by the limitation of one unit when I need some more effects. I guess the answer is by another unit devoted for reverb alone like you listed above.
I guess I would appreciate the quality but also be frustrated by the limitation of one unit when I need some more effects. I guess the answer is by another unit devoted for reverb alone like you listed above.
Ford Van
Banned
Well, you could probably get away with the "printing" method IF you kept your preset's updated properly as you change them!
Say you print a reverb, but decide later that you don't like the reverb, you would need to have saved that reverb to come back to it. Get it?
Also, it would take some time to record a new "print", as you could only do it in real time.
I suppose if you found a good delay time, or even used the "Dual Shift" preset, since these are realitively easy to determine, you could print those first, then save printing the reverb until the very last. That is probably how I would do it.
But, in the end, it is best to have dedicated boxes. That way, you can just adjust what you want to adjust at any time you want to.
There ARE some problems with stemming out aux sends from software and trying to monitor the effects back into the recording app. What you hear is not always what you get! If you have the Master Fader turned down in the recording app, but you are monitoring the input of your sound card, the effects, when "printed" eventually to the DAW will be quieter by how much the master fader was. Since I tend to turn down the master fader a lot in my DAW, this is a problem.
Also, there is a bit of latency! This can be measured though, and fixed by simply advancing the "print" track in the DAW after you print it. This will only be a problem with stuff where phase and delay times are an issue.
Say you print a reverb, but decide later that you don't like the reverb, you would need to have saved that reverb to come back to it. Get it?
Also, it would take some time to record a new "print", as you could only do it in real time.
I suppose if you found a good delay time, or even used the "Dual Shift" preset, since these are realitively easy to determine, you could print those first, then save printing the reverb until the very last. That is probably how I would do it.
But, in the end, it is best to have dedicated boxes. That way, you can just adjust what you want to adjust at any time you want to.
There ARE some problems with stemming out aux sends from software and trying to monitor the effects back into the recording app. What you hear is not always what you get! If you have the Master Fader turned down in the recording app, but you are monitoring the input of your sound card, the effects, when "printed" eventually to the DAW will be quieter by how much the master fader was. Since I tend to turn down the master fader a lot in my DAW, this is a problem.
Also, there is a bit of latency! This can be measured though, and fixed by simply advancing the "print" track in the DAW after you print it. This will only be a problem with stuff where phase and delay times are an issue.