EQ mixing challenge

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Mixing and Mastering.
I am mixing some tracks justnow and i am confident with getting good mixing levels and some alright compression, gating and EQ settings and automation. And i am pretty happy with the tracking of instruments.
I just cant get a sound like a comercial CD. Even once mastered it still doesnt sound as good.
I know it takes alot of skill to get pro results, but i am asking anyone with ALOT of PRO experience for a few tips or tricks of the trade.
I think it must be to do with EQ settings of the individual tracks, and maybe compression.

Here is a link of a mastered track.

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http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1720459&q=Hi
(The unmastered track is there also)

Any tips would be much apreciated.
 
I don't pull punches when people ask a question like this. BEFORE you read any more of my post here, be prepared that you might not like what you read. Fair enough? :)



































You SHOULD be unhappy with how this was tracked. I didn't really hear any instrument in the unmastered version that I thought sounded "right" for this genre, when compared to the "big time" guys in this genre. The guitars were somewhat close, but they sort of sound small and thin.

I would start by sound replacing all the drum parts. Even then, this won't ever sound "pro". But, you can get a lot closer.

Until the drums sound "right", everything else will just sound out of place.

The biggest difference between "demo's" and "major label" recordings is usually the drums.

I think also, your drummer is sort of a little, errrrrrrrrrr, sloppy. I am not hearing a "feel", or a tightness that this genre requires.

I don't know. I think you should start by trying to get the drums to sound bigger and more punchy.

It sounds like you have some control room issues, acoustically speaking. The unmastered mix is pretty muddy, and has a LOT of low midrange energy. Trying to master mixes like this pretty much sucks, but it isn't something eq can solve. Not EVERY instrument in the mix hass too much low mids, just some of them. So, if you eq out the low mids, the instruments that sounded fine will sound too thin.

Lay off the eq and compression. It is amazing, but a lot of guys end up with better results when they depend upon it less and less. This stuff sounds like it is processed to hell and back.

The first thing I do when mixing is just do a "push mix", just adjusting levels and panning. NO eq, compression, gating, effects. JUST volume and panning. I get the best mix I can this way. I burn a disk then start listening on some normal playback systems. This tell me EXACTLY what I need to know, which is how the original tracks sound. If the production was tracked well, you will find that you will have some "minor" complaints about how it all blends together. If it wasn't tracked well, you will have some MAJOR complaints about how it all blends together, and you are in trouble. :)

Every step of production is only as good as the step before:

If a musician can't play that well, he usually can't make the instrument sound all that great.

If a instrument doesn't sound all that great, it doesn't get recorded sounding that good.

If the sound that is recorded isn't all that great, it usually doesn't mix that well.

A bad mix is pretty hard to master.

A bad master certainly isn't going to sound very good on most playback systems.

Get it? It starts at the source, and works it's way down. A breakdown at ANY step pretty much screws every step after that. In between any of the above, there are technical/evironmental things that can screw things up too!

Anyway, I know this was an earful, and not always so encouraging, but, it sort of needed to be said. The best "tip or trick of the trade" I can offer you is to finish this one up, and start another recording trying things differently than you did on this one. I am not hearing minor little things that a little "hey, tweak this" type of advice is going to help you with the example you posted. That production sounds like it didn't get off on the right foot.

Good luck.
 
>>It sounds like you have some control room issues, acoustically speaking.

Agreed. The mix really should sound better than this. Additionally, the person who mixed this definitely shouldn't be mastering the record in the same room because the problems are just going to be amplified.

Try comparing the mix to a commercial CD while you're mixing, listening to the different frequency ranges. Although everything is important, I find that getting the 4-5k range and the 90-110hz range right is a good start. Listen to those ranges in particular to see what you can do to make your mix sound more like the CDs you purchase in stores.

If you're adding any more than 2db of gain (max 3db!) on the EQ in the compression stage, your mix could probably have been done better.

Also, some sort of compression (maybe even an expander) effect in mastering is making the whole recording sound ridiculous. Just get rid of it.

There is no quick fix, sadly. Just a lot of listening, knowing what you want, and knowing how to get it. Nobody is perfect and we all gotta start somewhere. Good luck.
 
Bugger me mate!

are you still using that same studio in Edinburgh? Ditch that place. This is the same plate of mud soup as the last one you posted.

you guys have good chops goin on but your sound its being choked to death.
 
Yeah i mastered it myself. I used too much compression and it killed it a bit!
Cheers Ed for all the tips. The guitars were probably tracked with too much distortion so when listening bak all you can hear is the distortion effect and no actual guitar strings! That wil be why they are sounding a bit thin. Not sure with the drums. Could be that the room i was using was only big enough for a drum kit and a bit of space. This would produce echoes and phase issues eh? I havnt ever tried to tune drums before so maybe my laziness is coming bak to haunt my mixes. The bass guitar was through a smallish PEAVEY amp. Dont really need to say much else! I was happy with the vocals expect that there was too much mid highs or highs. I think i could have compressed the vocal a bit better also.
Its funny, i have been posting here for a good few months and i have only ever heard one PRO sounding mix. It was a guy and his daughter doing an acoustic track, where the daughter sang with an amazing voice. The rest are somewhat boring. This just shows how hard it is too get that PRO sounding mix.
Ed would you post a sample of one of your mixed tracks please so i can hear your work. Tell us if it is masterd or not if u decide to post.
 
You´ve overcompressed the snare...try slower atack on the compressor and quick release...try that not to reduce more than 6 dbs on snare and kick drum...overcoompression on snare drum, just brings the hit hat up, remember??try to take some dbs on 1kz to bring the voice to the front.
If you add some dbs between 3500 hz e 6000hz you may had some detail to the snare.
If
Try to put a limiter at the end of kick drum and pull in up a litle bit like waves l1 but not L1, it takes to mutch low end.
take some dbs arround 400, 500hz on the kick drum for defenition.
had some dbs aroun 4000, 5000hz for kick.
Try not to use multiband compression( if you do, but i think so)
if you don´t know how to us it.
Had a snare plate with a short decay.
Where are the Toms??
Try puting a limiter on the drum master...waves L2 or Timeworks mastering compressor are good choices but i prefear the 2 choice.
The bass is over RED LIGHT!!!!
Don´t cut too mutch low end on the bass...if it´s muy, take something arround 500, if it have too mutch "finger slapiing" take arround 4000, 5000.In my opinion it has a litle to mutch.
Quick Atack on Bass Compressor!!!!!!
Try not to had to mutch on 9000 hz on your guitar, it makes it to bee, lize xhxhxhxhxhxh, and than on the mastering you can brighten more the mix without the xh problem...too mutch 9000hz, 10000hz on the guitars recorded with hight gains, cuts claraty...
Try over dubbing your recorded guitars tracks with a crunch or overdrive sound and then mix does 2 sounds.
Look out with the automatation of th guitars...not very natural...

This mix was made with a low budget...Mackie 16 tracks in to Paris,Tla pre amp(i wasnt the recordind enginear, because there are some bad choices...)
Mics:
Akg kit(d112 on the kick drums,sm57 snare and toms, c1000 overheads and hh)
Guitars - akg c1000
Bass - D.i. and d112
Vocals - akg c-4000
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/writePage.cfm?bandid=210696&bandnamesave=hornet

Not a Great Mix and mastering but for the price...This was a multiband mastering.

Cheers

Marcio Silva
(Portugal Rullez)
 
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