Envelopes

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Having the envelope menu for amplitude of volume, effect, etc.. "in a click and drag" interface, reflected both graphically and sonicaly for each track in real time is way cool.
Sonar is the ticket...although I'm sure there are other SOTA software packages out there that deal with this in a similar fashion.
 
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Yo Pingers, I'm still curious if there's "layered" volume envelope. You know, like in MIDI we have Expression (CC11) conjunction along with Volume (CC07).. So whatever we set on the fader will be considered the "0dB" point, and the "expression" envelope will work based on this value... Anybody can you do that with audio? how ? Thank's.
 
That sounds like a logical option James, but I've just started editing using the envelopes in track view. I`ll have to check what your asking out when I get home this a.m. Perhaps Dach' or somebody else more experienced can fill in the blanks on that question for you.
 
In Vegas and Cakewalk when you drop in a volume envelope it's at a point that has neither gain nor attenuation. This is independent of the fader position in the software mixer. So you can cut and boost volume on the track with the envelope and also change the over all volume with the fader. Is that what you're talking about?
 
I think what you want James is a Clip Envelope. The clip envelope is expressed in + and - db's rather than absolute db's.

Therefore, you can put a clip envelope on a track, and then in a certain section decrease the volume by -4 db, without effecting the fader setting.

Try it and let me know if this is what you are talking about.

(You'll find clip envelopes on the envelope menu when you right click on the track. Also, they do not run the entire length of the track - only the length of the clip you are adding them to. Of course, if the track is just one clip, they do run the length of the track. :) )
 
Smack... smack... smack...

Thank's Dachay...
I knew I can deppend on you pingers...
That's exactly what I was looking for... hehehe... Thank you... :D

;)
James
 
I,m glad someone got on to 'envelopes'..... I know I am missing the point of them somehow and hoped somebody could explain their benefits.

For example if I want a volume swell at a certain point in a track at the moment I would just clip it and increase the volume of the clip. What use would an envelope be here ?

If, for example, I wanted to fade the end of a guitar solo out to the right, I would use two tracks at moment one panned where ever I wanted the guitar solo and another track panned to the right and I would fade the solo out this way...

Is the main point of envelopes to conserve cpu etc or do they use as much cpu etc as other methods...

Eagerly awaiting replies as I know I am going to learn something.
 
Frogman...

Not quite sure what you're asking,but basically an envelope is just a graphic for automation of mixing.If you want to create an automatic pan create an envolope and construct it accordingly.
 
frogfroggg said:
I,m glad someone got on to 'envelopes'..... I know I am missing the point of them somehow and hoped somebody could explain their benefits.

For example if I want a volume swell at a certain point in a track at the moment I would just clip it and increase the volume of the clip. What use would an envelope be here ?

If, for example, I wanted to fade the end of a guitar solo out to the right, I would use two tracks at moment one panned where ever I wanted the guitar solo and another track panned to the right and I would fade the solo out this way...

Is the main point of envelopes to conserve cpu etc or do they use as much cpu etc as other methods...

Eagerly awaiting replies as I know I am going to learn something.
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This cleared up most any confusion I had...click on this link.

http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72565&highlight=automation
 
froggy, you're working too hard.

take that first track, slap a volume envelope on it and add nodes to the envelope.

of course for a fade, you don't even have to work that hard.

just go to the top right hand corner of the wave and a little half triangle icon will come up. drag that icon back and your fade will present itself.
 
I read the link you posted Toki, thanks..................................... and now I've read it, I can see what you mean about working too Crossy.
 
dachay2tnr said:
I think what you want James is a Clip Envelope. The clip envelope is expressed in + and - db's rather than absolute db's.

Therefore, you can put a clip envelope on a track, and then in a certain section decrease the volume by -4 db, without effecting the fader setting.

Try it and let me know if this is what you are talking about.

(You'll find clip envelopes on the envelope menu when you right click on the track. Also, they do not run the entire length of the track - only the length of the clip you are adding them to. Of course, if the track is just one clip, they do run the length of the track. :) )
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Also note that clip envelopes are befor the effects insert point. Something to watch for with a compressor patched in.

On the Sonar signal flow diagram they show a picture of an envelope on the V-main fader. But am I right in assuming that you can automate the main faders, but not visually with an envelope? (And there is no way to see it anywhere, other than the control movement?)
I've been avoiding the 'recording fader/knob' method of automation just because you can't see it to keeptrack of what's happening. Seems like it's to easy to end up with stuff happening that you lost track of. (Like in an effect that's not up on the screen.)
Wayne
 
mixsit said:
But am I right in assuming that you can automate the main faders, but not visually with an envelope? (And there is no way to see it anywhere, other than the control movement?)
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Wayne - you can put an envelope on a V-Main. You do it just like you would on a track.

In fact, to accomplish a fade-out on the entire song, that's the place to do it.

I just posted a song in the clinic that has a fade-out and also has gradually increasing reverb during the fade. That is, as the volume slowly drops the wetness of the verb slowly increases. Nice effect and it was accomplished with two envelopes on the V-Main (a volume envelope and an FX envelope).

Or am I not understanding your question correctly?
 
dachay2tnr said:
I just posted a song in the clinic that has a fade-out and also has gradually increasing reverb during the fade. That is, as the volume slowly drops the wetness of the verb slowly increases. Nice effect and it was accomplished with two envelopes on the V-Main (a volume envelope and an FX envelope).
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...Once again Dachay, you answer my question before asking... duh!. :D
Thanks... Thanks... Thanks...

;)
James
 
dachay2tnr said:
Wayne - you can put an envelope on a V-Main. You do it just like you would on a track.

In fact, to accomplish a fade-out on the entire song, that's the place to do it.
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Or am I not understanding your question correctly?
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Then there is something I am missing out on. Where do v-main, effects and other knob enveolpes appear? Not on the audio track views. (I'm not on u571 right now, can't poke around just yet.)
This could open up some great options.
Thank you once again!
Wayne
 
Errr.... Beep! Wrong! (Isn't it? ;) )

It's in the Track View. You see the "All", "Mix", "FX" and "I/O"? There's a button a little to the right. Click it and V-Mains and Aux'es will appear.
 
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