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ShadowKat
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Has anyone out there fiqured out a way to use external effects during direct record mode, meaning direct record effects without going to mix down.
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Dexter411
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I just mute all the tracks but the ones going to effects and then use the L/R or Headphone output's to go into my rack effects and then back into the input of the recorder. I don't even bother with the effects mode thing.
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dave in toledo
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While i do have a full pa sysem, i run my signal through the mixer, (i have no aux outs) into my eq, compressor, effects unit, and from there instead of going to the power amps, i send the signal to the recorder.
While i do have a full pa sysem, i run my signal through the mixer, (i have no aux outs) into my eq, compressor, effects unit, and from there instead of going to the power amps, i send the signal to the recorder.
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ShadowKat
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Well, what I've got is a Mackie 808 Powered Mixer board that I'm recording the vocals from via a insert jack that is used as a direct out. The Mackie has built in effects that is being used, but is not being recorded in direct mode. The instruments are being recorded from their respective amps complete with their own effects, which are being recorded. Do I have to create some kind of loop to pickup the effects off the mackie? I We like to recordlive &do real well on one take with a good mix, but would like to get the effects we are hearing thru the mains and monitors onto the recording during direct record mode. Any specific instructions on how to do that. I have asked this question before, and was told it couldn't be done, but I just don't or won't believe it. I also have an external alesis quadraverb I could use to acheive effects on vocals during direct record if I have to.
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dave in toledo
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are your direct outs pre or post fader, some are switchable also, one of those will get effects into the mix. My old peavey unity has no direct outs other then mains and monitors,
are your direct outs pre or post fader, some are switchable also, one of those will get effects into the mix. My old peavey unity has no direct outs other then mains and monitors,
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kdgospel
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If this is the 808M (mono) you can do the following and I think it will work (it works with a 406M that we use live). If it is a 808S (stereo) I don't know if it will work. You will not get the effects using the insert jack (to the first click). This is a direct out that involves only the mic preamp.
This is what I do on the 406M.
First of all this is the only way it will work with a 808M. If it has the button that says main/main, main/monitor. Push it to enable main/main. Plug the mic or whatever into the channel all the way. Come out of the monitor out jack (on front of the mixer) to your recorder. This will give you a line level signal that should allow you to use the onboard effects processor (which, by the way, is excellent IMO). Keep in mind you will be controlling your levels, eq, and effects with the monitor master controls and monitor volume level (red knob) on the channel.
When you have it hooked like this if someone comes along and mistakenly pushes the main/main button to main/monitor it will probably fry your recorder.
This is what I do on the 406M.
First of all this is the only way it will work with a 808M. If it has the button that says main/main, main/monitor. Push it to enable main/main. Plug the mic or whatever into the channel all the way. Come out of the monitor out jack (on front of the mixer) to your recorder. This will give you a line level signal that should allow you to use the onboard effects processor (which, by the way, is excellent IMO). Keep in mind you will be controlling your levels, eq, and effects with the monitor master controls and monitor volume level (red knob) on the channel.
When you have it hooked like this if someone comes along and mistakenly pushes the main/main button to main/monitor it will probably fry your recorder.
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ShadowKat
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kdgospel: Yeah, I do have the 808m version, and it sounds like your pretty familar with this type of setup, but I hope your sure of the simularites of the 406m and the 808m......I don't wanna fry my recorder!!....I fiqure the differences between our units are the number of channels only. I know there are differences between the stereo and mono versions regarding insert connections, as well as year model differences on same versions, because I contacted Mackie by phone about connections. I'm gonna try what you suggest and hope I don't fry something, as long as your sure!.......Will let you know what happened. Thanks!!!
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ShadowKat
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When you say 'plug the mic or whatever in the channel all the way', I assuming you mean on the mackie, and when you say 'come out of the monitor out jack (on front of the mixer) to your recorder', where do I go on the recorder??......The aux send on the back panel???.....please clarify.
When you say 'plug the mic or whatever in the channel all the way', I assuming you mean on the mackie, and when you say 'come out of the monitor out jack (on front of the mixer) to your recorder', where do I go on the recorder??......The aux send on the back panel???.....please clarify.
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kdgospel
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When you plug into the insert jack to the first click it is a direct out and you will not include the effects processor or eq. If you plug in all the way the signal runs through the effects and eq.
About where to plug into your recorder. I have the MR-8 and I go directly into one of the 1/4" input jacks. Of course this is a limitation with what you want to do, because if your 808 has only one monitor out jack and you are wanting to say record vocals and guitar at the same time they will both have to be on the same track.
I don't think you are gonna fry anything as long as you have the main/main main/montor button I talked about above. And you have it set on main/main.
You just don't want come out of the mixer's power amp. If you hook to one of the jacks on the back of the mixer it will be powered and might fry something. I'm gonna look on the Mackie site and see if your mixer has the same buttons as mine.
ShadowKat said:When you say 'plug the mic or whatever in the channel all the way', I assuming you mean on the mackie, and when you say 'come out of the monitor out jack (on front of the mixer) to your recorder', where do I go on the recorder??......The aux send on the back panel???.....please clarify.
When you plug into the insert jack to the first click it is a direct out and you will not include the effects processor or eq. If you plug in all the way the signal runs through the effects and eq.
About where to plug into your recorder. I have the MR-8 and I go directly into one of the 1/4" input jacks. Of course this is a limitation with what you want to do, because if your 808 has only one monitor out jack and you are wanting to say record vocals and guitar at the same time they will both have to be on the same track.
I don't think you are gonna fry anything as long as you have the main/main main/montor button I talked about above. And you have it set on main/main.
You just don't want come out of the mixer's power amp. If you hook to one of the jacks on the back of the mixer it will be powered and might fry something. I'm gonna look on the Mackie site and see if your mixer has the same buttons as mine.
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kdgospel
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I looked on the Mackie site and the 808 has the same features as mine exept more channels and watts.
You should be fine as long as you only use the monitor line out jack with the power amp routing button set on main/main.
We have been using our 406M now for approx. 3 years. It is a great mixer. It does have limitations compared to an unpowered normal mixer. I use the internal amp on ours to power our monitors and an external 2000watt amp to power our mains. To do this I have to come out of the monitor out jack into our Bose controller because it cannot have anything but a line level signal (what you are looking for going to your recorder) going to it and it works great.
You should be fine as long as you only use the monitor line out jack with the power amp routing button set on main/main.
We have been using our 406M now for approx. 3 years. It is a great mixer. It does have limitations compared to an unpowered normal mixer. I use the internal amp on ours to power our monitors and an external 2000watt amp to power our mains. To do this I have to come out of the monitor out jack into our Bose controller because it cannot have anything but a line level signal (what you are looking for going to your recorder) going to it and it works great.
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ShadowKat
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I understand everything about the use of the insert jack.....that's why I'm not getting the effects....I just wanted to make sure you were talking about the mackie at that point....The problem is I am using all the inputs (eight) on the recorder....I could give one up, if I had to. (over head cymbal mic) This sounds like what we use to do in the old days when they didn't have an effects channel for the monitor mix. I didn't realize I would need to use one of the inputs up on my recorder. Also, I use the monitor line out for my crown power amp to run monitors. I guess I could do away with that as well, as far as rehearsal goes, but I really wanted to recreate this at a live gig. I notice you do the same thing, only in reverse.....how are you able to give up your monitor line out for the effects?
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kdgospel
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ShadowKat said:I understand everything about the use of the insert jack.....that's why I'm not getting the effects....I just wanted to make sure you were talking about the mackie at that point....The problem is I am using all the inputs (eight) on the recorder....I could give one up, if I had to. (over head cymbal mic) This sounds like what we use to do in the old days when they didn't have an effects channel for the monitor mix. I didn't realize I would need to use one of the inputs up on my recorder. Also, I use the monitor line out for my crown power amp to run monitors. I guess I could do away with that as well, as far as rehearsal goes, but I really wanted to recreate this at a live gig. I notice you do the same thing, only in reverse.....how are you able to give up your monitor line out for the effects?
I just use everything in reverse and get effects in the monitors and mains. This is the way it is hooked:
I come out from the Mackie monitor line out to a Bose 802c controller, then out of the controller into a Yamaha CP2000 amp. I plug my Bose 802 speakers into the Yamaha amp.
For the monitors, I plug them into the main jacks on the back of the mixer and push the power amp routing button on front to main/main. This puts all of the Mackie's internal amps on the monitors.
This set up works well once you get used to the fact that the monitor controls work the mains and vice versa.
Let me clarify something here. You have an 8 input recorder and have all inputs taken and need one more (or do away or combine to free one up)? Is this right? If it is maybe you could combine a couple of channels (maybe two parts of the drums). I have knowledge of the Mackie mixers and how to hook them for live performance, but my knowledge of using them for multi-track recording is limited. Still, though I don't see why you are not getting effects on the vocal?
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ShadowKat
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If you are talking about the live sound, I am getting the effects....It's just the recorded sound I am picking up from the vocals off the mackie (by use on the insert jack pushed in to the first click) is not recording the effects. You say you can get this effect from the mackie recorded by routing connections as you described in your earlier post......correct?
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kdgospel
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ShadowKat said:If you are talking about the live sound, I am getting the effects....It's just the recorded sound I am picking up from the vocals off the mackie (by use on the insert jack pushed in to the first click) is not recording the effects. You say you can get this effect from the mackie recorded by routing connections as you described in your earlier post......correct?
Correct.