Drumsound inside needs critiques !!

[Blor007]

Hi guys,

Any tips on this drum sound?

http://users.pandora.be/blor007/Samples/Mixdown(Drum)2.mp3


Gear:
Snare : SM57
Kickdrum: Beta52
OL: AKG C1000
OR: Shure SM94
Tom1: Fame tommic
Tom2: Shure SM57
Floor tom: Fame tommic

Pre-amps:
Snare + Kickdrum : Gyraf Gyratec G9
Rest: Default trough Sountracs solo 16

Room:
Recorded in a very small room (= bottleneck)

Plugins:
Waves Trueverb on Snare kickdrum and overheads
Short decay room size = +- 1500

Mixdown of drum and compression/enhancement + maximisation + hi-pass/low-pass filter

 

[DAS19]

Sound pretty good to me you should just try eqing the kick a little more its the only drum I think that needs work but its also imo the hardest drum to record. The snare sounds good, I like that trueverb plugin its a nice sounding verb for drums.

 

[Blor007]

Sound pretty good to me you should just try eqing the kick a little more its the only drum I think that needs work but its also imo the hardest drum to record. The snare sounds good, I like that trueverb plugin its a nice sounding verb for drums.

I went for a pretty bassy kick soundon purpose, 200-500 is already -12dB EQ . Drummer is a bit inconsistent in my opinion also, maybe some samples will help.

Anyways thx for the reply, any other critiques are more the welcome.
Just tear this shit apart !!

 

[surfmaster]

i feel like theres too much reverb on that snare, but thats just my preference. but its sounding nice and clear i bet it would really cut in a mix well. i think you need to bring up some more punch on the kick though. that 3khz-6khz area to get some more batter. my 2 cents.

-surf

 

[RAMI]

The sound's not bad, but the levels are a little out, to me. Seems like the snare's in a different room from everything else and the cymbals sound really distant. I don't know if you need all those mics. Try a mixdown with just the snare, kik and overheads and see if it's not better. What pattern do you have your overheads in?

 

[Blor007]

You sir, have very good ears

Snare is in a totally different room (Plugin) and the overheads have Trueverb on them but little to none direct signal.

Overheads are pattern A/B, I find that X/Y really does not suit the small/boxy room. With X/Y it has no stereo effect at all.


I'll try ''putting'' everything in an equal room


Thx for the comment, i'll post an update little later this day.

 

[RAMI]

Cool. It's probably just a matter of the levels, because the sound is good. Maybe just tuck in the snare a bit and bring uo the kik and overheads a touch.

Keep us posted.

 

[tbone36109]

kick need a bit more highs in it for some more slap, it will be hard to hear that kick over other instruments, snare has a nice dry crack to it, i like

 

[Blor007]

It's been a while but here is the update

http://users.pandora.be/blor007/Samples/Mixdown%20(drum)3.mp3


I tried a slightly different approach this time

 

[FattMusiek]

The set is tuned well for sure. The kick is the weakest link; it sounds good sonically but it's not present enough (in my own opinion). Mic placement, mic placement mic placement! I am also digging the "dry crack" of the snare. Your small room sounds good to me. The third clip sounds exponentially better to me. What did you do?

 

[Blor007]

Used the waves plug-in TransX and the option : More stick
I think it gates frequencies not belonging to the snare or something,
doesn't matter how it works .

With that I was able to give the Snare some more higher frequencies(6k-10k boost) which sounds alot more natural

Kick is not played hard enough and not very consistent but also mic placement could be better

Overheads: I removed 80 procent of the Trueverb on that one

And last and maybe most important: I said fuck-off to the low-pass filter

 

[PhilGood]

I know I'm gonna regret posting this, cause every time I do I get tons of PM's asking for clarification.

Let me just say 4 words: "full gallon paint can"!!

Oh, and, uh ... "No EQ"!

K, that's 6 words, but now I've said it.

The idea is to use very little muffling in the kick, just a small rag taped to the shell touching the heads. Set down a folded towel, not touching either head, and then set down an upright full gallon of paint. Put the reso head back on. Stick the mic in about 3" into the hole, pointed straight down the shell. Use no EQ with a felt beater and it should sound like this.

(Forgive the playing. It's a work in progress.)

You're using a beta52, which should sound better than this. I'm using a Superlux FK-2. You should be able to blow doors on this!

Oh, tune the kick head to just flappy and then bring it up so the flappiness is gone!

 

[tbone36109]

"full gallon paint can"!!

could you clarifiy this a bit more (jk) are you micing the kickdrum through a hole in the front head or just infront of the front head, because a beta should have alot more slap than that if you are going in through a hole in the front head, if you are and still no slap defenitely try philgood suggestion(hell try philgoods anyways cause its a good suggestion )

 

[RAMI]

I know I'm gonna regret posting this, cause every time I do I get tons of PM's asking for clarification.

Let me just say 4 words: "full gallon paint can"!!

Oh, and, uh ... "No EQ"!

K, that's 6 words, but now I've said it.

The idea is to use very little muffling in the kick, just a small rag taped to the shell touching the heads. Set down a folded towel, not touching either head, and then set down an upright full gallon of paint. Put the reso head back on. Stick the mic in about 3" into the hole, pointed straight down the shell. Use no EQ with a felt beater and it should sound like this.

(Forgive the playing. It's a work in progress.)

You're using a beta52, which should sound better than this. I'm using a Superlux FK-2. You should be able to blow doors on this!

Oh, tune the kick head to just flappy and then bring it up so the flappiness is gone!

Interesting. Worth a try.

Blor, you said you were able to give the snare more 6-10k. I take that to mean that you boosted frequencies. I wish you could try an expirement and use either no EQ, like Phil said....or do a mix where you're not boositng anything, only cutting frequencis that need to go. It sounds good and you should be credited with tuning the kit well, which is the most important thing. I just find that, instead of sounding like a drum "SET", it still has that feel of drums competing with each other (possibly the result of boosting eq), and maybe trying to be too creative with differnt reverbs on different drums (which sort of translates to every drum in it's own room). I'm just guessing based on what I hear. Definitely sounding better, though.