Drumkit From Hell.

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After Frustrating myself attempting to make my own drum samples in a shitty sounding room and listening to demos of the Drumkit From Hell sampler pack I finally broke down and ordered me a copy.

Anyone ever use this? It sounds pretty damn nice on the demos for programmed drums. I'm just hoping for a good level of customizing ability so my drum tracks don't sound exactly like everyones elses that got this sample pack. Hey, if nothing else it will make for a damn nice drum machine preset factory. And it could be a good reference for me when trying to get a good drum sound on my own. I plan on using the multi-sample wav files with drumagog. I'll let everyone know how it works out after I get it.

Thanks to Wireneck for telling me about it.
 
hope it works for you

Hey man i would like to hear some samples once you start using it. I have only heard the stuff meshugga did with it but it sounded great.
 
Another one that sounds killer is the Native Instruments Studio Drums collection. It's designed to be used with Battery and Kontakt, but you can just use the wave files with anything. For the price, around $70, it's killer. The drumkit from hell is cool, if a little "metal" for my taste.
 
any chance of either of you guys posting a couple of loops/hits/whatever using some of the sounds on those sample CD's to give us an idea of what they're like? :D
 
Unfortunately I have no program to use Drumkit From Hell with. I planned on just using the wavs, but to really get good results I guess you need a program like battery or DR-008. Anyone wanna buy me a copy of battery for christmas? hehe.

Sorry I don't have a sample but you can hear samples at the Drumkit from hell website if you have flash. As soon as you get to the home page a window will pop up that has a flash media player that will play about 6 different samples that were programmed on a drum machine. When I first heard the samples I was tricked into thinking it was actually Thomas Haake playing drums, but its all pre programmed samples. Also they have a forum where users posted some pretty decent demos.

My only complaint about it is that I think I'd probably be able to tell that someone used DFH on a recording if they use the default kit. The default snare sounds awesome, but it definitely has a distinct sound I think.

If nothing else listening to the wav samples will help me in recording drums in the future. I can compare my drum sounds to these samples instead of trying to get the sound of a proffessionally processed and mastered snare sound when I'm just in the tracking process.
 
I'm very interested in using Drumagog in combination with the Drumkit From Hell (DFH), or for that matter, any other good drum sound bank.

From what I've read here and on the Drumagog site, you can record yourself drumming with your fingers (or anything else), then run that through drumagog and make it sound like drums, which sounds EXTREMELY appealing to me, as I don't really want to write out each drum part. For me it's much easier to play it out on the desk and then convert that.

Anyway, the one thing I was wondering about is the soundfonts you get with Drumagog. I've heard they're ok/decent/pretty good, and so, of course, I'm interested in finding better samples. I checked out the DFH site, and being a fan of Meshuggah, I liked the sound. I do agree that it's very distinctive, but at least it provides a great starting point (plus I don't have to use those exact sounds).

So based on what I've read, I've gathered that I can record my finger/pencil drums, run those through drumagog, and load drumagog with the samples from the DFH sound bank.

Or...

If I got the Pro version of drumagog, I could turn my finger drumming to MIDI, run that through Battery (or something similar), and load Battery with the DFH sounds, which I believe is the way DFH is intended to be used. I'm also wondering if there is anyway to use Drumagog with the Battery/DFH combo without converting to MIDI (it would be an extra step if you don't need it).

If anyone has a good idea about how these programs work, could you please tell me if my ideas/conclusions are feasible? Both Drumagog and the DFH sound like really good applications, and they're not too expensive either.

H.J.
 
I have the Battery Studio Drums and they are great for what I do--real sounding music tracks. I have not heard DFH yet, but my theory is that you can't have too many great sounding drum kits. I may purchase the DFH samples to extend my potential. For those of you who don't own Battery, its a nice program and a great alternative to MIDI drums. The samples I use are from the separate disk, Battery Studio drums. These kits are the ticket for those like me who do not have a great sounding room to record a real kit. With little effort, you can get pro results. The trick is to play and think like a drummer. Battery will import DFH as I understand.

In the MP3 forum (probably buried in the 2nd or 3rd page) is a version of Turn The Page. The drums on that track are Battery Studio drums. That will give you an idea.
 
Beware of the drumagog/ DFH pairing. I've had drumagog (the old one) for a while now and although it is a really cool plugin, I find that to get it set to trigger properly, you sometimes need to manipulate the original drum tracks quite a bit to keep drumagog from double triggering.

For example, if youre trying to replace a kick sound on a kick track and your original kick has a lot of decay, not only the attack but part of the decay might trigger the sample as well. So instead of having a one kick hit you'll have like 3 or 4 in rapid succession like a machine gun. I find a high pass filter can remedy this though. You want your source sounds to be really short and distinct to get drumagog to work the way you want it.

The new version may be a lot better, I dont know. I dont have it yet. If possible get the Pro version that can import gigasampler kits, as the DFH multiversion CD has a gigasamplerformatted kit.

As for the finger druming thing, you'll need to record all the tracks seperately. For example you will need a kick track, a snare track, etc. If you set up one mic to record a desk as you tap it, drumagog will trigger one sample every time you hit the desk. You probably already know this, but its late and I'm tired so I'm rambling.

DFH didnt work with drumagog as well as I wanted. I realize I need battery or a similar program to fully take advantage of DFH's coolness so thats what I'm looking at now. Sonar has a feature that will take audio peaks and make a single note MIDI "map" that reflects the velocity and position of every audio peak that breaks a certain threshhold. I don't know what program you use for audio but if it has a function like this I don't think you would really need drumagog. As soon as I get Battery I don't think I'll be using drumagog at all.

When you convert say an audio snare track to midi, you can play with the velocity of every hit if you wanted to level stuff out a bit without compression or do other cheats like getting every hit on time perfectly (although they should already be on time, right?) . Then you can send that "perfect" (cheated) midi track to battery, which will play the drum samples onto a new audio track. Thats my next strategy, anyway.
 
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