drum set up/ help with overheads

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well I think I have it mapped out

audio technica PRO 25 for the bass drum

shure sm57 for snare - with creds like it has what could go wrong

overheads I was looking around and came up with not much
maybe some MXL's but not sure

could anybody help me with some overheads that can have some nice crash as well as some pow behind it instead of some really trebley ones

I'm trying for 100 bucks each but if its a little over for each then it might be ok
 
oh yeah and I was looking at some samson overheads

they are the CO2's

they come together for 119$

I figure that they are mostly crap but I'm no expert
 
Have a look at theses:
Studio Project B1s' $75USD each - zzounds.com
Studio Project C4s' $289USD pair - zzounds.com
MXL 603s' $199USD pair - music123.com
Oktava MC012s' $193USD pair - digitalprosound.com
 
I recently just went down this road, and after a long, long time deliberating on what to purchase, I ended up getting the B1's (Studio Projects).

My list to choose from was pretty much the same as yours -

MXL's
SP C4's, B3's
Oktava's
ADK A51s

I was pretty much set on the C4's, but in my application I was going to use the mic for acoustic guitar as well.

After speaking with Dot, it seemed that the B1's were the clear choice......and a bit cheaper to boot.

Rick
 
For drum overheads, my personal favorite among the econo mic's is still the MXL 603's, although I also have pairs of 990's and 991's; when Guitar Center first opened here in June, my brother and I each picked up a 990/991 combo package for $49 - sneaky, huh? :p I wanted a few different pairs of mic's to play around with, and all 3 types sound good to me, the key is placement.
I really prefer small diaphragm mics over the kit, but the 990's actually surprised me - especially for a mic that goes for really cheap at musician's friend.

I also have a pair of Shure SM81's, and personally I prefer the MXL mic's. I don't know what the deal is, but the SM81's seem more brittle to me when used over the drumkit, yet they sound better on things like acoustic guitar.

Which is fine, because when I can finally set my studio back up on a permanent basis I'll have overheads and room mics that I can permanently leave set up for the drumkit.



Tim
 
Tim Brown said:
I really prefer small diaphragm mics over the kit, but the 990's actually surprised me - especially for a mic that goes for really cheap at musician's friend.
Tim
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The 990 is actually a small diaphragm mic. It has the same capsule and circuit as the 603. The body and grill design give it a slightly different sound.
 
PhilGood said:
The 990 is actually a small diaphragm mic. It has the same capsule and circuit as the 603. The body and grill design give it a slightly different sound.
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I thought the 990 had a 1 and 3/4" diaphragm?

Well, no wonder I liked the 990!

I also have a MXL 2000 and 2003, and neither one of those sounded as good as the 603's for overheads.



Tim
 
Tim Brown said:
I thought the 990 had a 1 and 3/4" diaphragm?

Well, no wonder I liked the 990!

I also have a MXL 2000 and 2003, and neither one of those sounded as good as the 603's for overheads.



Tim
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The 2001 is Poo!! 603's ROCK!
 
so should my drummer buy some 990's and save some money or just go for it and get the 603's cause if they sound basically the same then what the hell
 
PsychoBandito said:
so should my drummer buy some 990's and save some money or just go for it and get the 603's cause if they sound basically the same then what the hell
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Well, they don't sound the same - the 603's are better, but the 990's aren't bad, especially not for the price. The 990's aren't as crisp sounding to me, and they also aren't as...full sounding I think is what I'm trying to say.



Tim
 
so are these studio projects B1's any good cause they have an awesome price
 
oh and another thing

My drummer is really set on close micing the toms and some peeps say that this is a waste of money cause they don't really sound any better than with some good overheads

is this true cause it would definetly save my drummer some MOOOLA
 
PsychoBandito said:
oh and another thing

My drummer is really set on close micing the toms and some peeps say that this is a waste of money cause they don't really sound any better than with some good overheads

is this true cause it would definetly save my drummer some MOOOLA
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I don't agree with the statement its a waste of money. I've heard alot of tracks with just overheads, snare and kick. While some sound really good, it never ends up sounding as good as close micing IMHO. I much prefer the fuller, fatter sound of a mic on everything.

And yes, the Studio Projects B1's are starting to outshine the C1's, which are twice the price. The B1 sounds more natural.
 
My suggestion is using a condenser mic placed overhead to get more of your cymbals. Another suggestion, place the condenser mic in front of the set (about 4ft away) for a more classic rock feel. also how are you placing the shure sm57 on the snare and how are you positioning the kick drum mic.

Audio Technica make some prettey descent mics. Try an Audio Technica AT2020 condenser mic about $99.


another cool trick, place the sm57 about 4inches from the snare (so you dont get very little bottom end) and place a condenser mic under the snare. Really brings out the true sound of the snare.

good luck
 
I definitely think it is worth it to use mics on the toms as well. I have an SM57 on snare, D112 on Bass, a pair of SM81's as overheads and an AKG C1000S on each tom. The difference between no C1000's and having them on the toms is drastic. Although I would get good overhead mics before good tom mics. While i like using them, they are still the least important to me.
 
If you are set on closing miking the toms also, I've had some good results with the Sennheiser e604s.
You can get a 3-Pack for about $299USD @ Instrument Pro

Also, if you still havent decided on the O/H, i recommend the MXL603s
 
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