Drum recording. PLEASE GIVE FEEDBACK.

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My drummer seemed to have a preference for higher pitched sounds with a clean wash - when he heard a lower pitched, more gong like sound - especially if it had a multi-timbral wobble effect -- he never liked it. I suppose predictably, his preference was pretty much positively correlated to how much I had paid for each cymbal - my Paiste 2002 crash was his favorite - but it was still a bit of a mystery to me, especially because the judgments were so quick and over a cell phone.
 
I don't think it's that bad...a bit boxy and too dry overall would be my take on it. If it were me, I'd want more rattle from my snare and a bit more 'click' from the kick. But you're honestly better off ignoring me and doing what Rami and GregL say.
 
I tried for quite some time to coax decent sounds from a poorly tuned drumkit with old heads. Trust me when I say it's not worth it. The drummer didn't know how to tune his drums properly and never had any money for new heads. He did manage to have enough money to go bar hopping every weekend though. Finally we got fed up and bought the heads ourselves. One of the guys I met on this site (drossfile) came over and tuned them for us. Night and day difference. Before I was struggling to get any kind of decent drum sound. After the new heads it was difficult not to get a decent sound it was more of a matter of trying to find the sound I was looking for instead of trying to make them not suck.

Of course our drummer flaked out a couple of weeks later, he then took his kit and the new heads we bought with him. We're still trying to get him to give us the heads back. Fucking drummers.:mad::D
 
Well my (former) drummer thinks your all idiots and that his kit is tuned as good as its gonna get until he gets new heads, which seems to be out of the question to him. I dont see how he cant buy one a week with his unemployment.....I told him I would buy the heads the next time I have some dough left over after I pay all my bills, feed my three kids, pay my business insurance, pay my employees...etc...

My real issue has become one of motivation. I am super motivated and want to improve whatever I do. It comes across as stuck up or something to people who are OK with the way things are. I would rather not deal with those kind of folks.

Is no drummer better than a stubborn, one?
 
As an acoustic drummer, I hate the idea of using electronics or software, but either is a better alternative to an organic drummer with an attitude...especially when he's not very good. The problem with your drum tracks, is caused mostly by the tuning, but that can be fixed...even with poor heads. Another part of the problem, is the way your [former] drummer is playing. He simply isn't playing with any degree of authority or confidence, and it comes through. This is in part, why the snare and cymbals sound so bad.

So ya know what...if the guy is giving you an attitude, drop him. I assure you...there's better out there.
 
Well my (former) drummer thinks your all idiots and that his kit is tuned as good as its gonna get until he gets new heads, which seems to be out of the question to him.

He's an ignorant, talentless hack. I can see why you 2 play together.:laughings::laughings::laughings:
 
Part of the reason it sounds that way is because he refuses to play to a click track...
He and the bass player even protested me recording scratch vox and guitar to a click and then dubbing their parts on that. They both wanted to do live takes, which we did for a while but we were always speeding up 3-5 bpm( not to mention wash issues)...I could feel the drummer pulling us....but when I brought it up I was told I had the problem and that I should follow him because hes the drummer. Problem is I have been a solo performer for many years and have a good sense of timing (not perfect)....
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So the track you hear is the first of him playing to my clicked scratches......the way I think is best for us....and that is why it sounds uncomfortable, because now he has to listen to the song and play to the song....which is what I want, but I guess it hurt his feelers....

What am I supposed to do?
 
Lol. Why does his link want me to register? This is so dumb. I want to hear the trainwreck drums. :laughings:
 
What am I supposed to do?
Either proceed with a substandard demo...lousy product but no hurt feelings; fire the guy entirely, but forget about dating his sister; or...finish the demo with software, and keep the carbon-based drummer around for live gigs.
 
Part of the reason it sounds that way is because he can't play to a click track...

Fixed that for ya.;)


Part of the reason it sounds that way is because he refuses to play to a click track...
He and the bass player even protested me recording scratch vox and guitar to a click and then dubbing their parts on that. They both wanted to do live takes, which we did for a while but we were always speeding up 3-5 bpm( not to mention wash issues)...I could feel the drummer pulling us....but when I brought it up I was told I had the problem and that I should follow him because hes the drummer. Problem is I have been a solo performer for many years and have a good sense of timing (not perfect)....
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So the track you hear is the first of him playing to my clicked scratches......the way I think is best for us....and that is why it sounds uncomfortable, because now he has to listen to the song and play to the song....which is what I want, but I guess it hurt his feelers....

What am I supposed to do?

Tell him to go home and practice to a metronome. Tell him to come back when he can keep decent time tune his kit properly and has a job or some way to come up with the money to properly maintain his instrument.


If I sound harsh it's because I just dealt with this exact same bullshit not 6 months ago. It's not gonna work. Save yourself some drama and move on.


Edit: and tell him to stop hitting the snare like a pussy.
 
Im pretty much over it. I dont have time to waste, I really want to be moving forward always. Even taking harsh "advice" from the likes of top rami.....
 
Lol. Why does his link want me to register? This is so dumb. I want to hear the trainwreck drums. :laughings:

Meh....You're not missing anything.

This whole thread is a train-wreck. You've got people giving advice to someone who rebutts every suggestion with a response saying saying it can't (or won't) be done. These idiots deserve the sound they have because they think they can play like crap on crap sounding, un-tuned instruments and then ask for advice on how to fix the whole pile of crap in the mix. It's pure stupidity.:laughings:
 
You are a really great person:cool:. If you cant see that my attitude is one of self improvement and progression then you are just here to stir the pot. You could take a hike if you like.
 
You could take a hike if you like.
Nah, I'm sticking around for the comedy show that you're starring in.
You could go fuck yourself if you like, though. :D



Self-improvement my ass. You just want short-cuts and re-assurance. You're in denial and deserve the shit sound you're stuck with.

I know you'll thank me one day.:)
 
Jason, I'll try to tell you what Rami's telling you in as polite a way as possible.

I'm a guitarist (and I gather you are too), so I'll try to make a guitar analogy for you. It's kind of like you're asking, "Hey, how's my guitar tone? I know that the midrange is way too scooped, the tubes are going in my amp, and one speaker's blown, and I didn't play to a click so when I went back and doubled it I wasn't really that tight. Also, I know I'm a little out of tune here, and the bass is tuned slightly differently than the guitar, but if you ignore all of that, how'd I do mixing it?"

The problem is that when you're evaluating the recording of an instrument, it's really difficult to distinguish between how much of what you're hearing is the source sound and how much is what was done to it in the mix, and if the source sound just isn't that good, then no amount of polishing it is really going to get you a "good" drum sound.

So, I understand your drummer doesn't have the money for new heads right now. The problem with being a home recorder is so often real-world constraints get in the way with what would theoretically be the best thing to do. However, that's no reason to not spend some time tuning his kit to make it sound as well as he can with the old heads - Greg, I believe, has a great thread on that somewhere around here. Likewise, if he's having trouble playing to a click and that's causing problems with his performance, he could probably get a much better performance if he spent some time practicing along with a click or a metronome until he COULD play with authority with a kick.

Also, you might want to look into some room treatment. It's tough to do this on a budget, but even small things can possibly make a big difference - heavy comforters on the walls will absorb a LITTLE bit of energy, and I've heard of guerrilla home recordists making use of handy living room couches as bass traps while recording in their living rooms, with moderate success.

Finally, there's a great thread I bumped recently about an awesome way to make really good sounding drum recordings at home - I'll link it in a section, but the gist is the "Recorderman" or "Glyn Johns" micing techniques are a relatively straightforward way to get a really good, phase-aligned drum sound in less-than-ideal conditions with only four mics.

So, look into some of this stuff. Your problem right now isn't the less-than-perfect drumkit as much as the attitude to the problem you're taking - "I've got this kit which isn't that great, but I refuse to do anything to improve my source sound. How can I fix it in the mix?" The answer is you really can't.
 
Jason, I'll try to tell you what Rami's telling you in as polite a way as possible.
I was rude???? :D :D :D

I'm a guitarist (and I gather you are too), so I'll try to make a guitar analogy for you. It's kind of like you're asking, "Hey, how's my guitar tone? I know that the midrange is way too scooped, the tubes are going in my amp, and one speaker's blown, and I didn't play to a click so when I went back and doubled it I wasn't really that tight. Also, I know I'm a little out of tune here, and the bass is tuned slightly differently than the guitar, but if you ignore all of that, how'd I do mixing it?"

The problem is that when you're evaluating the recording of an instrument, it's really difficult to distinguish between how much of what you're hearing is the source sound and how much is what was done to it in the mix, and if the source sound just isn't that good, then no amount of polishing it is really going to get you a "good" drum sound.

So, I understand your drummer doesn't have the money for new heads right now. The problem with being a home recorder is so often real-world constraints get in the way with what would theoretically be the best thing to do. However, that's no reason to not spend some time tuning his kit to make it sound as well as he can with the old heads - Greg, I believe, has a great thread on that somewhere around here. Likewise, if he's having trouble playing to a click and that's causing problems with his performance, he could probably get a much better performance if he spent some time practicing along with a click or a metronome until he COULD play with authority with a kick.

Also, you might want to look into some room treatment. It's tough to do this on a budget, but even small things can possibly make a big difference - heavy comforters on the walls will absorb a LITTLE bit of energy, and I've heard of guerrilla home recordists making use of handy living room couches as bass traps while recording in their living rooms, with moderate success.

Finally, there's a great thread I bumped recently about an awesome way to make really good sounding drum recordings at home - I'll link it in a section, but the gist is the "Recorderman" or "Glyn Johns" micing techniques are a relatively straightforward way to get a really good, phase-aligned drum sound in less-than-ideal conditions with only four mics.
That was beautiful. I think I'm actually turned on. What are you wearing right now???:eek::eek::eek:
So, look into some of this stuff. Your problem right now isn't the less-than-perfect drumkit as much as the attitude to the problem you're taking - "I've got this kit which isn't that great, but I refuse to do anything to improve my source sound. How can I fix it in the mix?" The answer is you really can't.
A-feaking-men!
 
Well Thanks for taking the time to type. Here is the deal.

Its not my kit.
I cant make the drummer do anything he doesnt want to.
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