Drum and Bass Machines

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I need to purchase a drum, bass machine.

Something for backing tracks, so I can play guitar over it. Something that isn't limiting, so I can program anything to make songs.

How do these work, do you hook it up to a home stereo or what?


Anyone have any experience with these, and what is the best to get $300 limit.
 
Check out the Zoom RythmTrak's....
The 323 sells for around 250, I think... ??? (I'm from Europe)
I have a 123, and I'm quite amazed... It sounds outstanding, and is really easy to use/program. The 323 should be even better (more sounds, more outputs for recording, easier interface).
Both of the have a "Line In" to patch in a guitar or whatever, and then you can jam on your headphones or home-stereo...

Dime....
 
i also have the zoom rt123 and it is a good basic unit. it has 25 different drum kits and tons of patterns, and the bass machine is pretty descent.
 
Boss makes a few good ones. If I were you I would save up and get a decent keyboard.
 
Dimebag and Zook250


I read up on the 323 and listened to some demos. Great sounding.

Now I have a few more questions.

When you program the Bass, you program with letter notes right. Like a E note to a B note and make progressions like that right?

Now the smartcard. Is that for only storing files. Can I down load it to my PC and burn it on a disk?

Can I use something like Cakewalk Pro9 to record with the 323?
 
guitarjesus said:
Dimebag and Zook250


I read up on the 323 and listened to some demos. Great sounding.

Now I have a few more questions.

When you program the Bass, you program with letter notes right. Like a E note to a B note and make progressions like that right?

Now the smartcard. Is that for only storing files. Can I down load it to my PC and burn it on a disk?

Can I use something like Cakewalk Pro9 to record with the 323?

Regarding the bass :
Nope, you would either play the pads in real time (and assign whatever note you want, to whatever pad you want), og record in "step-mode". These modes are the same as for programming drums.
Recording in real time means that when you have decided how long your pattern is going to be, you start recording. Then pattern-playback start, and whenever you hit a pad (velocity-sensitive ones... cool, huh???) that "hit" is recorded, whether it is bass or drums. Pattern keeps playing back until it reaches its end, and then start over. This is my preferred way of making patterns, since it gives a more "live-feel" I think. Another thing is, if you at a certain point in you pattern have a bassdrum, for example... when you are recording and playing another bassdrum-hit at the same point, the last one played is the only one audible... They are not "stack-able"... not that it matters musch, but nice to know... (instead of making one hit a little too hard, then stop recording just to edit it out manually)
Recording in step-mode, means that you go through the pattern one step at a time, and put in your pad-tabs (again, no matter if it is bass or drums)... You have the quantizing feature, which basically means "how-many-steps-per-quarternote", meaning 4 steps in a bar, 8 step per step in a bar...get it??? I'm Danish... this is my best try to explain... :-)

Regarding the smartcard... Nope, I don't think it's possible to edit or do anything to the smartcard with your PC. It's only purpose is to backup all your self-made drumkits, patterns and songs from the 323... and possibly moving them to some other Zoom device... This may sound like you'd never need that feature, but think about it... Every song you make take up several patterns, and if you only can make 100 (not sure about this number for the 323... it's 100 for the 123) it will not give you room for that many songs, thus backup everything to a card, insert another card, make new songs... You will still be able to get your old songs back, which may come in handy... Read below...

Regarding recording : Yes, off course you can record it, BUT you may not want to!!! I use a Korg D1200 instead of Cakewalk, but the basic idea is the same. You use your PC or Korg as Midi-time-master, and whenever you hit play on your PC the 323 will start playing... This means that I can Record 12 tracks on my Korg, and none of them drums from the Zoom... The drums are only monitored during recording... This gives me the opportunity to change drumkit or whatever during the entire recording phase, and not decide upon the drumsound until I reach mixdown-time....

Hope I made at least a little bit of sense... :-)

Dime....
 
You explained it pretty good.


I am a guitar player so all I want to do is lay down some bass lines with drums, in the key of E, F, G, A, B, C, D, and sharped or flattened for example. For now hook it up to my stereo and jam. And later on record on my PC so I can burn it on CD.


That is it really.

The 323 will be good for that right?

Another question. All this can be looped right?
 
the 323 will be great for that (heck, the 123 is great for that). What you need, though, is some kind of guitar-fx, preferably with some kind of speakersimulation... something like a POD or similar... Even though, most pedealboards that I can remember have some kind of speakersimulation (my old Boss ME10 had, my really old Digitech and Korg boards had it, I think)
If you play through your home stereo, your guitar will sound like CRAP if some kind of speakersim isn't there... :-)

Dime...
 
No.

I will run the 323 through my stereo.

And just have my guitar and amp seperate.

I will probably get the Korg 1200 like you have and mic the guitar amp, and record like that.
 
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ya know,

I got a Boss Dr-5 (Dr. Rythym Section) on ebay for 150.00. It has some decent bass sounds as well as 2 other tracks for synth, piano, guitar, organ, etc.


I like it becuase the "notes" are all in the pattern of a guitar neck so choosing notes is real real easy, at least for me since I cannot play a keyboard.


If you want to hear some stuff or have any questions, just PM me.


clif
 
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