dropouts, 98Se and Windows XP

[kktk]

I am running 98se and sonar 2.2 with the delta 1010.

I see dropouts, pops, clicks etc all the time(like one every 5 seconds!)

I am currently setup with the ASIO(which worked better than MME for me).

I am seeing latency of 7 msec. How can I lower this further?

Also, someone emailed me a WDM for 98se. Can I use it in sonar 2.2?

Any help would be great.

 

[moskus]

I am seeing latency of 7 msec. How can I lower this further?

You open the Delta 1010 Control Panel and set the Latency samples to a low figure, such as 64 or 128.

 

[James Argo]

And yes indeed, DOS Rules! I never had any crashes running AutoCAD under DOS. There again, it was terminally slow, it would take upwards of 45 minutes to plot an A0 size drawing

Boy oh boy...
I remember back then in 1993, when I went home with a box of the original Cakewalk for Dos !!! You can even run it without installing it Just flip your floppy, run autoexec from command prompt...

No need to worry about the stinky ASIO / WDM drivers...

No such bleeding latency...

Not even fancy DXi...

Just Cakey, the Vapi driver (MQX32 card), and the legendary korg M1...

Who knew this thing would be turned into monster named SONAR these day

 

[moskus]

No need to worry about the stinky ASIO / WDM drivers...

No such bleeding latency...

Not even fancy DXi...

And that is a good thing?

 

[kktk]

The delta panel allows me to go to 336 as the lowest number.

What controls this?
Why do some people see a lower number than this?


And even at this number, the latency in sonar is 7 msec. nothing lower. If I set the sample rate higher, the latency gets worse but i get rid of some of those annoying pops clicks etc.

Are there more tweaks to lower these numbers--or do you have to just accept what the system offers.

I am on 1ghz, 384 ram, pIII, dell machine running 98se.

 

[moskus]

What controls this?

I've never heard this before. Everyone that have tried this can set their buffers to 64 or 128 samples.

Have you installed the newest drivers?

 

[kktk]

I have the latest drivers from their website.

The only setting I have on the HArdware tab is for the the DMA buffer--which goes from 336-2030 something.

No other option.

Am i missing another drop down?
What's the samples setting everyone keeps mentioning...i dont see that.

 

[moskus]

Ahhh.. You are looking in the Windows Control Panel. Don't mess with those numbers!

You should open the Delta Control Panel (the software for your soundcard if you want). There's a huge difference . Look for "Latency" or "Buffers" or something like that... I can't tell you exactly where to look because I don't have a Delta card.

 

[kktk]

I am looking at the Delta's control panel.

That is where I change the setting.

Let me ask this....are the DMA buffer setting and the samples setting 2 different things?

OR do they mean the same thing?

 

[moskus]

I thought DMA was Direct Memory Access and used by Windows to allow hardware to use the memory directly without going through the CPU first. But maybe it's called DMA with Delta cards...

I just downloaded the manual. Seems you're right. What can you set the Wave Buffer to? Can you adjust it lower? Can you then set the ASIO Buffer to a lower value?

 

[kktk]

Here is what I do----

I adjust the setting for the buffer from the Delta's panel to 336(lowest value).

I then go into Sonar 2.2 and then run the wave profiler.
I am using the ASIO driver.

I restart Sonar and then I see the latency set to 7.1 msec(lowest value).
Now that slider below that adjust the setting from Fast---Safe is set to Fast. Even If I change this setting to Safe---nothing changes on the Latency. It stays the same.
Under that I have a button--ASIO panel which essentially launches the Delta's panel from within Sonar.

With MME, the setting from FAST to Safe actually changes the latency, but with ASIO that does not happen.

I dont have the option for WDM.

thanks for the help.

 

[moskus]

You don't have the option for WDM because your system doesen't support it... I don't think M-Audio has made working WDM-drivers for Win98se.

And the waveprofiler in Sonar should be disabled when using ASIO-drivers.

The reason you can't alter the latency with the slider in Sonar is because the latency is set by the ASIO Control Panel (in your case: the Delta Control Panel).


I don't know, maybe it would be better if you installed Win2000 or WinXP...

 

[kktk]

What you are saying makes complete sense.

What I dont understand is why so other see values of 64, 128 in the delta's control panel--when i only see 336????

If its an OS issue, everyone on 98se should see something similar--dont you think?

If its an 1010 issue--same thing there.

 

[Leeking]

Re: Have you tried:

1. Open the AUD.INI file in the cakewalk program folder

2. Scroll down to the line "stop if starved = 1"

3. Change it to "stop if starved = 0"

4. Save the file.

After many months of frustration, this completely solved my dropout problems. I don't know why the setting is there in the first place.

Sorry if you've already done this.

I am using Sonar with Win98se and do experience dropouts when I get to 8 tracks or more. ( I have to archieve some of them to overcome the dropouts)

But I recently made a change based on Wurlitzer instructions above and no more dropouts! so far I have not notice any side effects.

 

[moskus]

What I dont understand is why so other see values of 64, 128 in the delta's control panel--when i only see 336????

I just find it strange. Latency samples are usually in multiples of 2. I can choose from 48, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024 and 2048... And I thought that most did.

Maybe there's a serious problem with your computer... I all out.

 

[kktk]

yeah that is strange...

dont know what serious issues there might be.

just a thought---does the motherboard, chipset etc have something to contribute here?
maybe those need an update?

 

[moskus]

Perhaps... I would contact M-Audio and hear it from the horses mouth.

 

[CanopuS]

OK, so I have Windows XP, 1.7gz 256mbram etc.... and I'm still getting bloody dropouts every second. I have spent the last 30 minutes trying to sort it out, but nothing works. WHY OH WHY DOESN'T ANYONE HAVE CAKEWALK 9 ANYMORE.
All your suggestions only seem to work with special hardware or Sonar

 

[Strryder]

OK, so I have Windows XP, 1.7gz 256mbram etc.... and I'm still getting bloody dropouts every second. I have spent the last 30 minutes trying to sort it out, but nothing works. WHY OH WHY DOESN'T ANYONE HAVE CAKEWALK 9 ANYMORE.
All your suggestions only seem to work with special hardware or Sonar

What soundcard are you using?

What are Pro Audio 9's I/O buffer size settings set to? (try 256k)

In PA9, how many buffers are you using?

It seems you need to increase your latency to stop the dropouts.

 

[moskus]

Since you don't really benefit of having low latency in PA9, I would set the latency to max (far right) and set the Buffers to 4 (right above the latency slider).

If that doesen't work... defrag your harddrive.