Dont Have To Sound Good

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I think NS 10's make excellent reference monitors.

They really DO require that you get the mix just right.

Ed
 
I never thought that I would see the day when sonusman would refer to ns10ms as excellent.

bbear: use good monitors that you've learnt

sjoko2: then reference on ns10ms

CyanJaguar: and hold on tight for the shock wont be small when you hear how terrible the mix sounds on ns10ms. No choice but to start mixing over.
 
I never thought I would say that too....:)

But the reality is that the room I am working out of now is too small to accomodate the Events bigger low end, and dragging the Events to and from home for sessions is a major pain in the ass. I have been doing most of my recent work on Nasty 10's and am starting to learn then a bit better. I have used them extensively in the past and been fine with using them, I just prefer the sound of the Events more.

But it is true. If your mixes sound great on NS 10's, they will sound awesome on most any other speakers. NS 10's really require that you define your whole midrange well, and that is the stuff that makes a difference in great mixes, articulate midrange. The studio I have been working out of has a subwoofer too, so that helps a bit for short periods of time to place the low end a little better on them.

Not a big NS 10 fan, but certainly not going to knock them as much any more......:)

Reality suggests that you can learn any monitor system. Do so and move on. I am sure a search about NS 10's would have brought up just about every single thing everyone has said about them in this thread. End of subject now? As Shailat suggested, it is rather futile to discuss when it has been discussed so many times before. All's it takes is a search from the rather extensive number of posts on the BBS to answer most questions that are posted these days.

I think you guys just like to talk a lot. Idle chat.....

Ed
 
That's ok Ed -- I'll pick up knocking them where you left off!!! ;)

:D :D
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
That's ok Ed -- I'll pick up knocking them where you left off!!! ;)

:D :D
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And maybe one day soon we will all hear the wonderful mixes you didn't do on NS 10's.....;):D

Ed
 
Well....

Since the NS-10's are fading fast, have any of you guys that are familiar with the Yamaha's tried the Yorkvilles YSM-1's? They have been compared to the NS-10's.

I'm curious as to whether they are as unforgiving as the Yamaha speakers. Hopefully so.

Also, does close monitoring help to lessen the impact of a crappy room?

Taylor
 
MrZekeMan said:
Since the NS-10's are fading fast, have any of you guys that are familiar with the Yamaha's tried the Yorkvilles YSM-1's? They have been compared to the NS-10's.
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The YSM-1s aren't ANYTHING like NS-10s... the Yorkvilles are much smoother in the mids and highs, and have better defined low-end. I can't imagine them being compared to NS-10s in any way except price. Sound-wise they are 2 completely different beasts.

The Tannoy Proto-Js are VERY similar to the Yorkvilles. The Yamaha MSP-10s are smoother, but have a similar mid-range honk to the NS-10s, at least, that's what I've found when A/B'ing them.

Bruce
 
And all of this begs the question ....

What are good monitors? Are they speakers that sound really good, better than their consumer equivalents? Or should they be speakers designed to allow you to reference accurately, to the cost of 'niceness'
 
Actually, I think it's a pretty subjective concept to try and pin down. I think monitors are "good monitors" if the person using them can create "translatable" (not to mention, good!) mixes on them. Whether they actually sound good or not to another person is almost irrelevant as long as they work for the one using 'em!

It explains why there are as many people who hate NS-10s as there are that like them........

Bruce
 
hmmmm........

I was thinking about getting the YSM1ps, but seeing as how I can get those anytime, maybe I should try to grab hold of a pair of NS10s before they become impossible to find.

Oi, just another thing to add to the list.....

-tkr
 
They're already becoming elevated in price. Used ones on ebay are selling at about twice the price they were a month or so ago.
 
Two months ago I attempted to find a set of ns10s and had no luck. even with dealers that specialize in yamaha stuff.

I can get an o2r mixer for 2000.00 but cannot even score a set of ns10s now thats effed up.
 
I agree sjoko2. I am growing more fond of the Nasty 10's way of letting me hear it all. That is certainly not something for the faint of heart....:)

Bruce, the NS 10's have very smooth midrange and hi end, IF your midrange and high end are smooth to start with, and that is the point about them. It is just far more present than with many monitors. It is a different sound altogether. I think "accurate" is a good description.

When I want less presence for listening in the mid's, my Events work just fine, but are maybe a bit too forgiving on bad sound. NS 10's sound fine when the mix is good. Really, they are a great "reference" monitor because well done mixes sound good on them. If mine don't, I know I have some work to do.

Ed
 
sonusman said:
Bruce, the NS 10's have very smooth midrange and hi end...
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Personally (and I'm not for a minute saying this applies to everyone), smoothness in the mids is something I have NEVER heard out them - even with what I normally consider excellent commercial reference mixes - they sound overly "edgy" and harsh to me... and when I recently heard the MSP10s - they weren't as bad, but still had that edginess that I don't care for. I simply find it "grating" on my ears... obviously, a very subjective perception, but I simply can't use them for that reason (of course that doesn't mean no one else should either!)


When I want less presence for listening in the mid's, my Events work just fine, but are maybe a bit too forgiving on bad sound.
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This I agree with 100%... I also find the Events too forgiving sometimes... since I'm aware of it, and I have other references to check against, it isn't much of a problem, but yes, it has to be watched for and taken into account as you use them...

Bruce
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
The YSM-1s aren't ANYTHING like NS-10s... the Yorkvilles are much smoother in the mids and highs, and have better defined low-end. I can't imagine them being compared to NS-10s in any way except price. Sound-wise they are 2 completely different beasts.
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I've pretty much decided I'm getting the Yorkville's. When you say much smoother in the mids and highs, do you mean the monitors sound smoother or the result from mixing on them is smoother? And are there any frequencies the Yorkville's yield as "too forgiving" and would be noticeable on secondary monitors?

Cy
 
Cyrokk said:
When you say much smoother in the mids and highs, do you mean the monitors sound smoother or the result from mixing on them is smoother? And are there any frequencies the Yorkville's yield as "too forgiving" and would be noticeable on secondary monitors?
Cy
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When I say "smoother" I mean the monitors themselves don't grate on my ears like the NS-10s do...

And I agree that the NS-10s honkiness (in my ears!) and exaggeration in mid response is what makes them so useful for translatable mixes, so ANY monitor that doesn't put a microscope on the mids the way NS-10s do, probably has to be watched a bit more closely in that area... not a big problem really, all part of learning how to translate mixes on whatever monitors you're using. (My opinion -YMMV!)


Bruce
 
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