Don't Believe The Hype

[clevodrummer]

you got that right re money relation to talent

All I can say, is what my poor ole dad used to tell me:

"It aint the arrow,its the Indian"

You delve into a lot of issues there and you pretty much have the nail hit on its head.

Im just starting out on a Tascam 424MKIII and I like the fact that it aint digital. I am not totally anti technology but the bottom line is what kind of music you make.

 

[jamesduysen]

Who cares...

Anyone can get a shitty interface and use garageband to make a demo that can be played on a local radio station. (I've done it.) But to get serious play you will have to get semi-serious gear. Whether it be protools, cubase or logic based. I'm not saying that you have to throw your life savings at a project or that you can make a quality recording with no mixing skills but a decent setup helps as does a little knowlege.

 

[n8tron]

I have to admit I do get a little frustrated when some guy with reason, with its perfectly compressed and eq'd samples, makes this beat and riff, basically by random cutting and pasting, that sounds pretty decent, then you ask him what a compressor is and the answer is a confused look and a "huh??"

Just because the products out now keep making it easier and easier to sound "perfect" right out of the box doesn't mean you don't have to learn to be a good engineer.

That said, I do think using good gear will help you learn what sounds you can get, and then sooner or later with that knowledge the gear becomes less important, cause you can do more with what you have.

and that said: remember perfection is an opinion

 

[Deen]

You made some valid points. I mean, indeed Elvis never needed Pro Tools
to sound as good as he did. The Beatles too. Dylan had paper. Do you think that if they played through a behringer they would sound awful? Just put them in an empty room they would still sound the way they do.


Perhaps from an Audiophile's point of view the gear certainly counts, but most people don't really know and care.

Having said that i don't think you should strike at those that can afford top gear. Even if someone says you won't get good sound with 250 dollars, doesn't mean you have to spend a grand to be happy. If you keep your expectations real you can be happy with the gear you have.

 

[jndietz]

I actually agree with what pantyboy is saying.

 

[elementary]

I think Pantyboy certainly has a point, he just hasn't found the most eloquent way to express it.

http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=4509

http://www.myspace.com/egorock

the mp3 link and "sun" "watercolour" and "port city" on the myspace link were all recorded using a behringer ub802 desk, behringer b2 pro mic, shure sm57 rip off, two groove tubes gt33 condensers through my wee terratec 4 in soundcard into cubase. mixed on crappy wee tiny pc speakers. i'm happy with the results. i think it beats the balls off a lot of other stuff recorded with infinitely more expensive gear.
That said I still think it would be better if I had better gear, but only in that it would be less noisy and perhaps a tad more clear. I'm a firm believer in buying what you can afford. Learn how to make it work for you. The difference in a £100 mic and a £1000 mic is negligble compared to the diference in a well tuned, well played drumkit and a poorly tuned, poorly played drumkit.

 

[travelin travis]

Gear slutitis is'nt going away around here any time soon. It's really easy to get sucked in too. Once you're in, there's no end to it. People can say what they want but this really is obsessive shit. It can grow to become an addiction really easily

I think Pantyboy certainly has a point, he just hasn't found the most eloquent way to express it.

http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=4509

http://www.myspace.com/egorock

the mp3 link and "sun" "watercolour" and "port city" on the myspace link were all recorded using a behringer ub802 desk, behringer b2 pro mic, shure sm57 rip off, two groove tubes gt33 condensers through my wee terratec 4 in soundcard into cubase. mixed on crappy wee tiny pc speakers. i'm happy with the results. i think it beats the balls off a lot of other stuff recorded with infinitely more expensive gear.
That said I still think it would be better if I had better gear, but only in that it would be less noisy and perhaps a tad more clear. I'm a firm believer in buying what you can afford. Learn how to make it work for you. The difference in a £100 mic and a £1000 mic is negligble compared to the diference in a well tuned, well played drumkit and a poorly tuned, poorly played drumkit.

Which mics did you use on which instruments? Everything sounds good but the drums caught my ear. Were the groove tubes the overheads? What about the kick?

 

[HapiCmpur]

so I guess I'm the problem in the audio community

I've always felt that way about you, gordone. Now that you've finally admitted it to yourself, the healing can begin.

 

[elementary]

yep the groove tubes were overheads. also overdubbed the toms afterwards using them, thats how i got the wide panning.
sm57 copy on the snare and the b2 pro a wee bit outside the kick. wouldnt be my first choice of kick mic, but i think it worked ok.
the kit was a pearl export series with an omar hakeem snare and sabian cymbals. i cant recommend that snare enough.

 

[superspit]

where are they now?.....catergory.

I wonder where Panty is today...since those 'heady, original thread days' of early 2006? Sorry...I'm a Cancerian, and I find myself often asking these sorts of questions.Superspit.

 

[chessrock]

Have You Ever Noticed How People Give Fl Studio, Behringer,Sb Soundcards, Casio, And Other affordable (not Cheap) Products A Bad Wrap, But When You Buy Them They Work Perfectly For You And Deliver Amazing Sound Quality.

Not really. Most of the brands you listed sound like garbage, or they tend to be much less reliable, and there's a reason why people try to steer you away from them.

I get the jist of what you're saying ... there is cheap gear that sounds good (FMR Audio, Emu, Rane, Symetrix, Oktava, CAD, etc.). It's just not included in your list. Did you purposely just list a bunch of crap in order to make your point?

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