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Dude you are very disturbed.I would suggest anger management classes!!! :D

This topic aint even that deep.

..arent?..isnt?..aint? ehh whats the difference? :rolleyes:
 
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Jesus tapdancing christ, is this thread still alive?

I would have thought with all the pages of thought provokation on this thread, most would have figured out what is made blindingly obvious....

People have different opinions. There is no 'wrong' or 'right' on this issue I'm afraid to say. Yes stealing is wrong. But yes, so is overcharging people. I have read a lot of post which suggests that their opinion is the 'right' opinion. There is no such thing as a right opinion. Perhaps a correct theory, but this isnt down to theory, its 100% pure opinion, with a smattering of common law, which is founded on opinion anyway.

So, those who thing stealing is wrong, yes you are right, stealing IS wrong. But at the same time, it is true that if software didnt cost so much people wouldnt steal it. However, you will get much more satisfaction if you buy something knowing you worked for it. On the other hand, a lot of people want to make music and have no money,so what do they do. I don't look at this as a justification, but I do look at piracy as an obvious consequence.

Those who take the moral highground and unconditionally persecute those who use pirate software without knowing their situation. Perhaps its time to reevaluate your policy on persecution to a more circumstantial stance. There are some stories in this thread that have showed that the positive consequences of using pirate music software, ie to find and hold the interest of those that would otherwise be on the streets getting into trouble, far outweigh the negative aspects of it.

Not that I advocate piracy, I understand that Mr Fatcat with lay off as many devs as he needs to keep his wages coming in, so I know how damaging it can be, and personally prefer to avoid it. But I do understand in certain cases why its done...

However...

Those who take THEIR moral highground and claim that the corporations are leeches and they are exploiting the masses...Well basically, find some new cliches to spout, or in fact spout something other than a cliche. If it wasnt for corporations and globalisation, nothing would be compatible with anything and our economy would be even more screwed than it is. Also going on about corporations is pointless and hypocrital. What, so the computer you wrote your post on, what did you make the components from bits of wood and string? No you bout them/it from a company. Your breakfast... Grow it yourself did you? In most cases, unlikely. The dollar bill in your pocket? Well.....
If you want to avoid corporations to avoid the negative aspects, like paying your way, then stop reaping the positive aspects, stop using ANY software, stop using any technology at all in fact, go live in a cave, weave your own clothes and hunt your own food, and trade in your own skills. Oh wait, trading in skills, that, if successful leads to corporations...and globalisation...DAMN...Well its called evolution mate.....
 
doogle said:
Dont worry, im not a hypocrite i will be the first to blow my brains out for the real benefit of this world and allow the innocence to take over once again, but not before i take the likes of Blue bear with me, these ****s need to be punished.
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Temper, temper.... fuckin' psycho... :rolleyes:
 
doogle said:
All of you self proclaimed saints out there fuck yourselves.
You mother fuckers are stealing the air that you breath. You dont think twice about how your maggot lives are destroying a beautiful planet with the waste that comes from your ass, and the resources you fucking chew up everyday, putting another bird out of a home, fucking fat filthy pigs.
Go to the mirror and ask yourselves why should you go on living.
No no no, not for the kids, thats not good enough ****, not for your fucking pig wives either. You take more than you give full stop. We all fucking do.
If you fucks want to make a positive difference the best thing you can do is blow your fucking brains out you fuck wits, and stop trying to make yourself feel good about somebody who steals a little bit more than you do.
I cant wait for you to all to die.

Dont worry, im not a hypocrite i will be the first to blow my brains out for the real benefit of this world and allow the innocence to take over once again, but not before i take the likes of Blue bear with me, these ****s need to be punished.
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You seem to have somewhat of an issue with the entire human race by the looks of it. Here is my suggestion...

There are billions of them and one of you. You can't change or get rid of billions of people. You can however change yourself, or get rid of yourself if your choose (not that I would advocate the latter). What ever your problems are, start at home. If you have a problem with the way people treat you, then figure out what you do to be treated that way, and then do someting about it. If your problem is that you just hate humans on principle, I can't see how joining a public discussion, frequented by humans no less, is going to do you any favours. Perhaps you might get something out of it if you were actually willing to say something mildly constructive, but I haven't really seen one thread of yours that didnt come across as an excuse to bitch a feeble argument.

Like a said in my last post, if you don't like human culture, go live in a cave, or deal with it.

I also don't think making idle psycho-threats at the likes of blue bear are particularly appropriate either. I mean, what did the guy ever do to you? I always found him to be one of the most helpful people on this board.
Perhaps you should direct comments lke that at posters who make no real contribution and never make any consructive posts. I mean, if you take that approach instead you could save your internet bill and talk into a mirror all day instead.
 
What a very provocative thread

Interesting to see how long it's hung on.

Anyway, I'd like to throw somewhat of a curveball at this discussion. First, to lay the groundwork, I am not young...I'm just about 40 years old. I have a decent job, and therefore I am fortunate in that I can afford to spend a bit on gear and software. I am also a member of a band that gets paid to play out several times a month, so I do have somewhat of a steady income from my musical endeavors. I mention all of this to set the stage and let you know where I'm coming from and where I am in the music "business".

It's been interesting to see the "black or white" nature of this discussion right from the beginning. And for starters, I agree - theft is theft...is theft. No matter what. And the law says that theft of intellectual property is punishable by any number of penalties, depending on the severity (and monetary value) of the crime.

But life is not (or only very rarely) black and white.

However, here's the curveball....what about the theft committed by Software corporations. In most instance this crime is unpunishable, not codified, and therefore no way exists to enforce a fair marketplace. In addition, this form of theft is often much more sinister than any particular user's piracy of any given software.

What's that you say? You'd like an example? O.K. ...Here's one I'm in the middle of experiencing right now. I just bought a Presonus Firepod....advertised to be a firewire interface with 10 simultaneous inputs. It's also advertised as coming with a full-featured music editing software package - namely Cubase LE. Let's take a gander to the reviews/faq site at Presonus - a quick glance will show you a number of people reviewing the product as working fantastically...all inputs functioning as they should. Cubase's sight (when speaking of LE) mentions the same facts.

But is this truth in advertising? Aha...NO way...Cubase has decided to put a little limitation to the bundled version of LE that limits simulataneous inputs to 4....kind of incredible given the fact that having 10 inputs is the major selling point of the Firepod. Interesting that this fact isn't highlighted at all by either company in the "glowing and gushing" review and sales pages for the product.

So what happens? The end user (who spends 600 dollars for this box) has two choices:

1. Be happy with 4 simultaneous inputs (and wish he'd spent 300 dollars less for something with fewer inputs - which would be just as functional)...or

2. Upgrade the software to something that supports all the inputs...at a cost of 250 dollars (a "special" upgrade price for LE users).

This, my friends, is not only theft, but also conspiracy to defraud, fraud in advertising, and a host of other definable crimes.

As I said earlier, I enjoy a decent job and enough financial security to be able to purchase another editing program (which will NEVER be a Steinburg product, by the way, they have lost a customer by being deceitful).

However....

Should I have had a friend who offered to let me install his copy of Cubase SL/SX on my computer...I would have done it in a heartbeat...and used it for years...and not felt guilty in the least. They promised full-functionality, and I paid for it....and got half-functionality at best.

This is but one example among MANY such experiences.

I am all for paying for services/products/etc. rendered. I am also all for fairness in the marketplace...and in this respect, the world is not black or white - it is many shades of gray.

Jay
 
vicenzajay said:
Interesting to see how long it's hung on.

Anyway, I'd like to throw somewhat of a curveball at this discussion. First, to lay the groundwork, I am not young...I'm just about 40 years old. I have a decent job, and therefore I am fortunate in that I can afford to spend a bit on gear and software. I am also a member of a band that gets paid to play out several times a month, so I do have somewhat of a steady income from my musical endeavors. I mention all of this to set the stage and let you know where I'm coming from and where I am in the music "business".

It's been interesting to see the "black or white" nature of this discussion right from the beginning. And for starters, I agree - theft is theft...is theft. No matter what. And the law says that theft of intellectual property is punishable by any number of penalties, depending on the severity (and monetary value) of the crime.

But life is not (or only very rarely) black and white.

However, here's the curveball....what about the theft committed by Software corporations. In most instance this crime is unpunishable, not codified, and therefore no way exists to enforce a fair marketplace. In addition, this form of theft is often much more sinister than any particular user's piracy of any given software.

What's that you say? You'd like an example? O.K. ...Here's one I'm in the middle of experiencing right now. I just bought a Presonus Firepod....advertised to be a firewire interface with 10 simultaneous inputs. It's also advertised as coming with a full-featured music editing software package - namely Cubase LE. Let's take a gander to the reviews/faq site at Presonus - a quick glance will show you a number of people reviewing the product as working fantastically...all inputs functioning as they should. Cubase's sight (when speaking of LE) mentions the same facts.

But is this truth in advertising? Aha...NO way...Cubase has decided to put a little limitation to the bundled version of LE that limits simulataneous inputs to 4....kind of incredible given the fact that having 10 inputs is the major selling point of the Firepod. Interesting that this fact isn't highlighted at all by either company in the "glowing and gushing" review and sales pages for the product.

So what happens? The end user (who spends 600 dollars for this box) has two choices:

1. Be happy with 4 simultaneous inputs (and wish he'd spent 300 dollars less for something with fewer inputs - which would be just as functional)...or

2. Upgrade the software to something that supports all the inputs...at a cost of 250 dollars (a "special" upgrade price for LE users).

This, my friends, is not only theft, but also conspiracy to defraud, fraud in advertising, and a host of other definable crimes.

As I said earlier, I enjoy a decent job and enough financial security to be able to purchase another editing program (which will NEVER be a Steinburg product, by the way, they have lost a customer by being deceitful).

However....

Should I have had a friend who offered to let me install his copy of Cubase SL/SX on my computer...I would have done it in a heartbeat...and used it for years...and not felt guilty in the least. They promised full-functionality, and I paid for it....and got half-functionality at best.

This is but one example among MANY such experiences.

I am all for paying for services/products/etc. rendered. I am also all for fairness in the marketplace...and in this respect, the world is not black or white - it is many shades of gray.

Jay
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Hi Jay,

Interesting points...

I think your only beef is with Presonous. Bundled software is old-hat and the bundles are always negotiated with the hardware manufacturer as a "value-added" piece to contribute to, as you point out, the marketing of the product.
 
Hmmm....

Don't completely agree...yes, I'm familiar with "light" versions of programs sold the world over with the purpose of enticing expensive upgrade options.

However, in this case - don't call it "fully functional" - because with the Firepod it's NOT fully functional. And that's fraud in advertising.

I appreciate your point - but Presonus is actively trying to solve the issue...to the point of mailing out old versions of LE as well as taking some addresses to mail out 1.0.9 when it comes out (as it will at least support 4 stereo busses).

I do agree, though, that Presonus needs to ditch Cubase/Steinberg for the Firepod unless they can broker a product to bundle with the Firepod that actually "supports" the product for sale.

What a concept...
 
I think it's very silly that Presonus should bundle software that doesn't facilitate full use and enjoyment of its product ... but I think it's downright misleading to suggest that said bundle will allow that full use and enjoyment ... which the Firepod marketing does.

I hadn't realised LE was so limited. It changes how I'll think about my next interface, because I can't count on the bundled software being 'good enough for now'.

Nik
 
I have no problem running all 10 inputs Running cubase LE with a firepod. You gotta enable each input in the ....... vst inputs heading..... i believe. Anyway, it works.
 
Yeah, Jay- it sucks- but all that info is readily availible in writing.

The firepod's inputs DO all work at the same time. Its the free software bundle that doesn't support it. The software company isn't stealing from you or being dishonest. They are giving you exactly what they say they are: a full version of their lite software. Sorry, but if you're disappointed its because you didn't know that before you bought it. Or, as passenger suggests, haven't figured out how to set it up, yet.

I got Cubasis with my tascam US-428. 8 track maximum- I knew that in advance but tried it out anyway. N-track, which I also owned, had no such limitations but I liked Cubasis so much better that I bought the full version. Was a happy Cubase user for years.

Take care,
Chris
 
crankz1 said:
Easy .... Cubase installs a bunch of .dll files all throughout the computer.
All the dongle does is remove them.

All you need to do is navigate to Start/search/files and folders ... be sure to include all drives and system files (like I said Cubase installs them everywhere) ... now just search for .dll (you will be amazed at how many Cubase installed)

Once the search is complete .... delete all the found .dll files and you will be singing a happy tune in no time.

Enjoy!
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Nooooo!!!!!!!! Don't do it! Why the hell would you say that to someone?! That can really screw someone over! Don't ever do that! Your computer will die! Nothing but a reinstall of your OS will fix it. You will lose everything!
 
hybridsound said:
Nooooo!!!!!!!! Don't do it! Why the hell would you say that to someone?! That can really screw someone over! Don't ever do that! Your computer will die! Nothing but a reinstall of your OS will fix it. You will lose everything!
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If you think about it for a minute .... you might figure it out. :rolleyes:
 
he he he

hybridsound be quiet,he's just going to do him self a favor if he does that :D
 
Pinachi said:
he he he

hybridsound be quiet,he's just going to do him self a favor if he does that :D
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Yeah, I guess you're right. If he does it, that's his own problem... Actually... It might be fun to see!!! I think I'd pay money!
 
Holy mother of Mary....
I've been back once in like a year and yet still this thread keeps going. It's amazing how far thieves will go to justify their stealing.

As it was stated a few threads ago....stealing is wrong. Yes is it. Then they said overcharging is wrong....yes it is. So if someone is overcharging...boycott their product. If enough people do, they will learn their lesson and will charge a reasonable amount. It doesn't justify stealing the product. And seeing as how Steiny hasn't decreased the price of their product...then enough of us think it is worth the price they charge and therefore it really isn't overpriced is it? So then we just get back to the simple fact that if you steal it, whether or not YOU think it is overpriced...you're still stealing and your still a thief.

Hell, I'd love to run around taking everything I THOUGHT was overpriced and steal it....er....actually, no I wouldn't. I was raised better than that. Too bad more people weren't.

Blue Bear....I see your still as popular with the thieves as when I last was here ;) Hope the studio is running well and profitable for you bro...
 
after reading some of hectors responses.
i agree with him, and i dont.
its not going to hurt Steinberg.
im poor myself, luckily i have access to a free neighborhood recording studio.
If i didnt, in all honesty, i would jump at the chance to use a cracked version of Cubase.
i would try to scrape what i can aside to buy a legitimate copy in the future,
but, that means waiting a long time.
Steinberg the corperation would rape you in the ass to give their stockholders a backrub, im not worried about ethics in the face of corperate giants.
 
do u think that if everyone bought cubase instead of pirated that prices would go down? i think that steinberg would interpret it as people are more then happy to pay, so they should charge more. just a thought, oh and did i mention that i also think this thread should die, but i couldnt help it :)
 
ethos said:
Steinberg the corperation would rape you in the ass to give their stockholders a backrub, im not worried about ethics in the face of corperate giants.
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This is just the most ignorant statement in the world. You obviously don't hold any stocks and know absolutely nothing about who takes it in the shorts in the market. Educate yourself about it...you will be glad you did.

Oh, by the way, Steiny isn't even a publicly traded company as far as I can tell and it certainly isn't a 'corporate giant'. That's right...no shareholder backrubs. Not that you really care about truth anyway...
 
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