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Burden of Proof said:
Holy crap. I know I'm wordy, but I just had to delete about 7 big paragraphs of text because it's wholly unneccesary to respond with. .............

To shift the discussion yet again, let's play pretends (well it's not really pretending) that there's no escape from a future where all music/software is available in a cracked form to all people on the internet. Then what becomes the solution? You have to accept that even if there's a large contingent of people with morals as strong as yours, that there's an equally large (if not larger) contingent of those with significantly weaker morals. How do we create an environment which is still healthy for the development of good artists/programmers/companies/etc? I don't claim to have the answer, but I think it's worth discussing, because I believe it's the truth of the future for better or worse.

-The Burden-
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You hit on something that I feel is important, can you tell ;) so yes, I tend to be wordy, covering my positions from many different angles.

Regarding the future you discuss, in my opinion there are few options.

1) You bring about a general social conscience about what software and music piracy really does to the industry. Try to make it not so accepted and not so cool to the average person, to steal. Heck, even making them realise they ARE stealing is a good start.

or
2) You prosecute all file sharers to the full extent of the law. This means five and six digit fines and/or jail time. This would take massive government intrusion into web activities, and would flood our courts. This however would most likely have the most chance of success long term. This would also require worldwide committment to address the problem. There are many asian countries who's main markets are black markets and their economy depends on them so while you might be able to stop quite a bit of the theft, there are places you couldn't stop it.

or
3) The software and music market find a fool proof method that makes their products uncopyable. (ya, right, and wild monkeys might fly out my...well you get the picture).

or
4) Musicians who depend on money from the sales of their art, and small software developers cease to exist in their present form.


Now you see why I push so hard for number 1.
 
Burden of Proof said:
I'm done. (good riddance)
-The Burden-
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I have never wished you weren't here and I don't wish for you to feel like you were not appreciated for taking part in this talk. Your the type of person I hope to reach. I may not have stopped your future stealing, but I believe that you have read everything here and have possibly seen things in a new light and I am glad you stuck around and presented your ideas. All I want to do is make people think about what they are really doing.

I think people presenting the "it's not stealing" side think I don't understand, or don't read what they say, or just don't get it. They are wrong. I understand its out there. I understand most people view it as completely harmless. I understand the "if I like it I will pay for it so they actually have a chance to make money off me if I steal their stuff first" arguement. I get the rationalizations behind all of this. But in my life, I see this stuff happen so prevelantly that I know it doesn't pan out like people say it does, and hence, they move the "drunk line" as I used in my previous arguement. I have seen everything from the average joe with a CD case loaded with 400 CD's, roughly 10 of which were bought and the rest burned, to an actual studio owner who bragged about his thousands of dollars worth of free plug in's his buddy gave him. I've had a really nice guy come to poker night at my house, eye my CD's and offer to pay me to copy some of them. These were all nice people, but nice people who are contributing to something that I think is going to be a serious issue in the near future. That is why I am so adamant about trying to get people to see through the social acceptance that so many people have about stealing software and music, and just see the truth for what it is. It is still theft at the end of the day.

Thanks for taking part in all this Burden.
 
Wordiness factor

Okay, said I was gone but wanted to clear a misconception - I was knocking my own wordiness, BassMaster, not yours - I think you're well spoken and an asset to your argument and believers in your point of view.

Also, I agree #1 is the best solution, just not sure about it's plausiblity. I'd like to hope everyone can learn the lesson to take responsibility for their actions (by my definition, not abuse their resources), but human nature just doesn't change like that.

Unfortunately, I see big brother as the immediate solution -- everything web-aware to even work at all, phoning home to allow access; it's the most complete solution. This then draws a nasty line in the sand about how you must be connected to the internet to enjoy any of these luxury items at all (software, or even music if it goes that far), in effect creating classes of 'haves' and 'have nots' based on connection and quality thereof to the internet.

Is this wild speculation? Perhaps. But something's gotta give eventually, and as unfortunately realistic as it is, it's not going to be human greed giving way to compassion. Jesus Christ himself couldn't even do that*. I think even with mass education in an effort to raise awareness and instill a general social conscience it would still fail, although there's certainly no reason not to try it.

Anybody else have ideas for business models to circumvent either big brother or government crackdown (assuming we can't all learn to be morally decent people)? I know there's i-tunes and the new napster with the pay-per-track system, and I know there's been a lot of talk of making programs run as 'services' which live on a remote server rather than being physically accessible code... does anyone any other ideas, or thoughts on existing or new business models to deal with the new fileshare-happy environment?

(guess I'm not done after all, not good enough riddance)
-The Burden-

* I'm not really a religious person, but I do believe that there was a guy named Jesus Christ and he did some good stuff for changing the existing mindset in his locale at that time. He changed a lot of minds, but we're still not all compassionate and forgiving. Not even all christians are.
 
I almost started the 'big brother entering the picture' on two seperate occations but decided not to go there since I didn't want to digress from the main arguement, but I think you are correct in envisioning that this may be the wave of the future. I think it very well may be. It may be one of the only viable methods to protect people and companies from being ripped off. And the sad part about it all, is that once again, it is the honest people who then must suffer the punishment, in this case lack of internet privacy, because of those who choose not to be responsible with their freedoms. Big brother can only work by observation of everyone, not just the guilty ones who deserve it.

In a free society, we have rights and responsibilities. Too many people are only aware of the rights part of that sentance. If we want to continue to enjoy our freedoms at the level we have them now, which is diminishing as it is, people need to wake up to the responsibilities they have. I could go on but I won't bore everyone here.

I applaud you seeing that far ahead in the issue Burden.
 
I went to Barnes and Noble today and got a thing from Cubase that was printed in England. I don't own the program, for I am hunting for exactly what I want, but I view software piracy as much as I do music piracy.

Anyways...it said something in there about the USB keys they ship with them now. Do they do that only in England, or all Cubase SX? I think that's awesome. I wonder how many other programs are doing it.

Stop these Dumbfucks.

I hope your computer shits on you.
 
thehouseofshawn said:
I went to Barnes and Noble today and got a thing from Cubase that was printed in England. I don't own the program, for I am hunting for exactly what I want, but I view software piracy as much as I do music piracy.

Anyways...it said something in there about the USB keys they ship with them now. Do they do that only in England, or all Cubase SX? I think that's awesome. I wonder how many other programs are doing it.

Stop these Dumbfucks.

I hope your computer shits on you.
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Cubase, even pre-SX has long had a USB key, called a dongle, that is a protection device designed to stop piracy. But as the started of the thread has demonstrated, there are people out there who are able to write a code that fools the program into thinking that the protection device is plugged in, or bypasses it completely.
 
Bass Master "K" said:
Cubase, even pre-SX has long had a USB key, called a dongle, that is a protection device designed to stop piracy. But as the started of the thread has demonstrated, there are people out there who are able to write a code that fools the program into thinking that the protection device is plugged in, or bypasses it completely.
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ah what a cute little name. How'd they think of that? Is it a play on word or something someone thought of on the toilet?
 
hector

hector is an asexual, dick-less, cock-faced soft plastic willy!
 
i cannot believe.... cracks.... well this can cost you up to 20,000 bucks if they get you using cracks ok? so let it be!
 
I'm so proud to be one of the first posters on the largest thread in homerecording.com history!
 
"On the other side, the label takes all the chances financially. A report I read two years ago said the big labels lose money on 9 out of 10 acts that they sign. That's nine out of ten groups that they give more money to than they get back, so they get it in the shorts too."

These record companies get huge tax breaks based on the failures of bands they have signed. In fact many labels sign bands strictly for this purpose. They often sign acts without ever having the intention to promote them, send them on tour, or even release their album. This is why it is called "the music buisness" rather than "the music charity society".
The corporate mantra is "infinite expasion" and has little to do with generosity or social value. So to re-evaluate your statement, the taxpayers are the ones held responsible for the financial chance taking (not to mention the inflated prices of CDs which also has these costs built in).
That said, it is the population in general that pays for the R&D, as well as the final product.
Filesharing is the public's reaction to the problem. This does not neccesarily justify filesharing, but it does mean that we should be examining the problem.
The subject of Cubase cracking takes on a similar theme. The high-tech industry in most countries is largely funded by public subsidy. In the U.S. these subsidies are handled by the Pentagon. The Pentagon funds research and development of tech industries in order to find more efficient ways to blast humans in half (by efficient I do not mean cost-effective for taxpayers, however). So they douse Apple, IBM, Hewlitt Packard, and Northrop-Grumman, as well as many other corporations, with cash in the hopes that some of these experiments will yield technology that blows jets out of the sky from 30,000 miles away or satellites with telescopes that can read your name off a buisness card, and so on. G5 computers and DAW's are only by-products of these experimentations. It's like the taxpayer is a shareholder of these companies but is being ripped-off by not seeing the dividends. Your investment is a)blasting humans in half, and b)making exorbinate amounts of money for the people who own and run these corporations (which exists as an EXTREME minority of the population).

So now, one must ask if all of this is to their benefit; if the big bosses spending billions (of your money) to blast humans in half; if the fact is that you have already paid for these technologies to be developed and now you still have to pay for the final product is to your benefit......
In the case of computers you are paying for materials. All of the individual components that make a G5 costs a bit of cash. In the case of software however, the materials cost very little (as in a CD or hard drive space).
Given that most of the development of the software (and sometimes all) has been paid for already some people find it hard to shell out $500 for a couple of CD's. Now this manifests in the public by-and-large by not particularly caring about the well being of corporations. This non-caring attitude leads to the large amounts of people using pirated software.
In short this becomes a reaction to non-democratic distributions of whealth.

Now, you may condemn software piracy; it is a problem unto itself. But to do anything about it you need to look at the big picture. You need to understand that it is a reaction to something which is a much larger problem. You may ease the pain of a problem by treating the symptom, but you will do much better by curing the disease.

So to get past name-calling and character-bashing, you will not get very far in this quest (of combatting software piracy) without talking about free-markets and the world economy. Calling someone a cocksucker is only going to excaserbate the situation of which you so ferventy despise.

Regards,
Mizzle
 
MackZilla said:
"These record companies get huge tax breaks based on the failures of bands they have signed. In fact many labels sign bands strictly for this purpose. They often sign acts without ever having the intention to promote them, send them on tour, or even release their album. This is why it is called "the music buisness" rather than "the music charity society".
The corporate mantra is "infinite expasion" and has little to do with generosity or social value. So to re-evaluate your statement, the taxpayers are the ones held responsible for the financial chance taking (not to mention the inflated prices of CDs which also has these costs built in).
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I'd like to know where you get your information from because basically you sound clueless when it comes to taxes. You sound like the type of person that has a mortgage on his house because it's a tax writeoff.

How does signing an act give you a tax break? How do you figure spending money wastefully leads to your advantage? If I have $1000 and spend it on a band I don't intend on making any money off of and declare it as a loss on my taxes I'll get about a $500 tax break. So -1000+500=-500. Hmm, I'm still out $500 and it doesn't seem like I'll stay in business too long if I keep doing this stuff, does it? How do you figure the taxpayers are held responsible?
 
NYMorningstar said:
I'd like to know where you get your information from because basically you sound clueless when it comes to taxes. You sound like the type of person that has a mortgage on his house because it's a tax writeoff.

How does signing an act give you a tax break? How do you figure spending money wastefully leads to your advantage? If I have $1000 and spend it on a band I don't intend on making any money off of and declare it as a loss on my taxes I'll get about a $500 tax break. So -1000+500=-500. Hmm, I'm still out $500 and it doesn't seem like I'll stay in business too long if I keep doing this stuff, does it? How do you figure the taxpayers are held responsible?
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he is right ... many bands are singed and just written off as a tax Loss....they sign them for very little....throw them on a small tour ...see what happens after a few weeks then drop them ....

money ius a crazy game allthough i am not inrto that side so much i do see that stuff go on....

anyone who thinks record companies are honest and fare are fools..... record companies are the biggest bullys and crooks there are. you can only pray that your music picks up enough to not have to deal with them as much on a lower level...just to pick up the check. ...dont get me wrong i know some really nice people in the biz....but they the ones that lose there jobs for not signing the next big thing in the 6 months they were there.....only to find out the band there boss would not let them sign signs to another company and seels loads....the music bizz is monty python....expeshaly the UK side
 
I like how this thread transitioned into a "Record Label" discussion! :D
 
BlindCowboy said:
"why write if you can't help?"

Why would I willingly help a person commit a crime?

"..just cause I don't feel like paying extortionist prices to make my music, I don't know shit about it."

There are several other products on the market that fit your price range. Do you steal porches for a living? Just because you know how to drive it, doesn't give you the right to steal it.

"I'm a music production student and I need it at home to WORK..."

You school doesn't provide the facilities for you to book time and work with the product? Does music production only teach you the fundamentals of this one product? Can you not learn the same techniques and fundamentals of music production from a package that you have the funds to afford?

"I pay for my tuition fees which allows my college to get the licence for it."

That gives your school the right to legally possess a copy of the software. It also funds the teacher's salary, the facility that you attend, and the lights that illuminate the room. Can you pick your desk up and take it home with you? By your logic, it's fine. Just tell the teacher your stealing it because you don't have a desk at home and you already payed your tuition...

"I'm busting my ass off already just to pay my rent"

Why? You've already proved you have the ability to blatently steal what you want, just because you think the world owes you something. Why don't you just break into an empty apartment and camp out there for awhile? It's just a faceless corporation that owns the apartment building. What would it matter to them?

"I really resent all you critics and judges of character based on a simple request for your help..."

Your a fucking thief. Who gives a shit what you resent. You have no character. I couldn't trust you in my house or around my stuff. As far as I know, you may want it and steal it.

"I seemed to think I had found a site where a musician's budget would be considered"

You have. What's your price range? There are other products that allow you to accomplish similar tasks with a smaller budget.

"...mommy and daddy couldn't afford to buy me a toy..."

It's not a toy.

"...I had to make do with my resources by ripping off a giant faceless corporation..."

Your resources? Hey! Good idea. You could live a carefree life, with everything in the world, if you just used your resources to aquire what you need from big faceless companies. Ford, General Mills, Walmart, etc..

"I cracked it anyway, pretty simple to do really."

Good for you. You've openly admitted on a public forum that you have stolen a copyrighted and trademarked product. Brilliant. Don't you deserve a medal.

You've reduced yourself to a two bit thief because you don't have the fortitude to work for what you want. I could give two shits less whether or not your working your ass off to pay rent while your in school. Waa you fucking baby. Go somewhere else if you want a pity party on how rough your life is. Your in college, you have a roof over your head. In my book, that makes you one of the lucky ones.

You want a challenge? Try raising a kid, pulling down a mortgage, two car payments, boat payment, studio gear and software, stay at home wife, constant travel, 10-12 hours a day in the office, 12 - 18 when i'm out of town, the increasing price of gas, taxes, tuition for my wife, saving for retirement and my child's education, part-time recording studio.... oh yea. I'm feeling for ya..
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Awesome Post !!!

But seriously Hector, you should have asked where people stand on the subject before you put your foot in your mouth. There is something to be said for 'Down Low' what people do privately has nothing to do with blatantly announcing to the World that they plan to steal something when most people pull money out of their pockets to pay for things. The American ideal is to work for what you want. All the excuses you gave don't hold water. The bottom line is you are living in a fantasy World thinking that it is cool to be able to get over. Just like the bright minded guys who can write programs that benefit people but instead spend their time writing programs to distroy or disrupt computer systems for the fun of it. You would be no better than they are. Just curious, what field are you going into after college? I'm quite certain you will hope that people aren't trying to find a way for you to not get paid for your work eh?
 
As a fully paid-up hypocrite I've stayed out of this thread since its inception ... but it's just not complete without my say ;)

I'm running cracked XP and have previously run cracked VST, Fruity Loops etc.

I'm going legal. It's a process I've been on for about a year, I wanted to before but couldn't 'afford' it ... yes I know the holes in that statement.

I just got a free licence for Tracktion, so my cracked VST has gone in the bin. It didn't work properly on XP anyway.

I got a student licence of Office 2003, so I'm legal on that. Because it comes with three licences, I was able to legitimize my parents' and brother's PCs as well by lending them the disc when I went to visit them.

Windows comes next. I have been using XP Pro, but I'm gonna have to take a hit cos I can only afford Home. But this is important to me - I don't like piracy or theft and so once again I'm eating 9pence baked beans and 20pence pasta to pay for my expensive habit :eek: ;)

You better all come and say nice things or I might go back to the dark side ........... only joking :p
 
noisedude said:
As a fully paid-up hypocrite I've stayed out of this thread since its inception ... but it's just not complete without my say ;)

I'm running cracked XP and have previously run cracked VST, Fruity Loops etc.

I'm going legal. It's a process I've been on for about a year, I wanted to before but couldn't 'afford' it ... yes I know the holes in that statement.

I just got a free licence for Tracktion, so my cracked VST has gone in the bin. It didn't work properly on XP anyway.

I got a student licence of Office 2003, so I'm legal on that. Because it comes with three licences, I was able to legitimize my parents' and brother's PCs as well by lending them the disc when I went to visit them.

Windows comes next. I have been using XP Pro, but I'm gonna have to take a hit cos I can only afford Home. But this is important to me - I don't like piracy or theft and so once again I'm eating 9pence baked beans and 20pence pasta to pay for my expensive habit :eek: ;)

You better all come and say nice things or I might go back to the dark side ........... only joking :p
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Dude ~

There are many who throw stones that most likely have in the past or present used software they didn't pay for. It goes with the territory. I remember when I first started using a computer, I downloaded WinZip and it was bugging me about paying for it or it was going to stop working. One day, I was looking at various folders in Regedit because I wanted to get familiar with what that was all about. I opened the WinZip Registry folder and discovered the Key information that the program was asking for. So I copied it down and put it in the post form and whalla ... the darn thing said thank you or something like that. I didn't feel bad, I felt great because it was a learned tool about how programs are put together and it also gave me a little knowledge about the security issues that programmers face which was the field that I was going into.

As for our friend Hector, I believe he could have gone about getting the information he wanted in other ways. But he threw piracy in everyones face who just got finished shelling out cash for what he was getting for free and generally those are the very same people that plague the forums with countless questions about how to use the program because they can't call Steinberg or Microsoft for help.

So my suggestion is, since cracking programs will always countiue, if you crack a program or solicit a crack for a program, do everybody a favor and go through the pains of learning the program on your own time and don't insult those who bought the manuals and got free tech support to hold your hand.

You Understand I'm Sure :cool:
 
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