Does Behringer use sweatshop labor?

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RyanEmerson

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I was considering buying a EUROPOWER PMX2000 (http://www.behringer.com/PMX2000/index.cfm?lang=ENG) Pa-head, but after reading from some of the topics below, I'm not sure. First off, from what I've read, the quality is pretty decent, and very good for the price. But, like I said, there are some ethical questions.

On their website it says even though they are a European company, their headquarters are in Singapore. Now that in itself is suspicious.

Now I don't want an argument about whether or not it's okay to buy cheap-labor products, because my mind has already been made up on it. All I want to know, frankly, is if Behringer does this.

Any links to articles or any information would be appreciated.

Thanks.
 
Do you seriously think if a company like Behringer used sweatshop conditions they would publicize it???

Aren't they morally bankrupt enough with their reverse engineering???

I guess there must be some sort of "means" testing or something for folks that KNOW they are feeding a faceless profit machine that is immoral in many ways.

Also, I'd like to know where you read that Behringer gear is "decent" quality.
 
I'll take that as a "yes."

I know they're decent from reading reviews on the internet, as well as the fact that a bass player I know has a cheap amp of their's and it works great.

Of course they wouldn't have a banner saying "We Use Sweatshop Labor" on their website, but there's usually some way you can tell. Public Citizen usually has a list that you can reference from.

But thanks.

So, now my question is, what's a good pa-head that's in the $300-$400 range, preferably 500-600 watt stereo, that's decent quality, maybe with soem digital effects?
 
ask amnesty international......they'll look into it if they dont already know. i say behringer is decent. i have various things by the company....4x12 cab, mic, mixer, compressor, headphone amp, headphones and a direct box. i doubt they use sweatshop though...as for being morally bankrupt....I guess I'm the kind of person that says "well if the product is good and i like it then I'll buy it"
 
Yes, Behringer uses sweatshop labor and runs labratory tests on live animals. Uri, also has six wives, all under the age of 15, that are actually his nieces and he drives a gas guzzling SUV. Hope that helps.
 
Behringer hopefully uses "sweatshop labour", because the people that work there are the people who needs work the most.

You should buy MORE "sweatshop labour" product, because that's the only way out of poverty for those countries.
 
That's fucking brilliant, Rege.

"We have to exploit the hell out of the natives because it's the ONLY way to raise their standard of living.":rolleyes:

Sound familiar???

"We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

Same stupid logic, same tragic result.

How about you renounce your Euro citizenship and head off to SE Asia to get a gig making tennis shoes or P Diddy's $200 sweatshirts????

After all, "Arbeit Macht Frei."

Idiot.
 
Looked on the back of my Behri... says 'Made in China.'

Chances are the people who put it together work 12 hrs a day and get paid by having a place to live in the plant and 3 square meals at the facility. There is usually a doctor who works in the plant (on site medical coverage.)

They also get about a dollar a week, which they use for clothes or to send back to their family on the farm.

Most chineese working in these conditions are thrilled just for this oppertunity, and thus work very hard. Blame that on the upper and middle class who is making all the real money over there.

- Gunther
 
"We have to exploit the hell out of the natives because it's the ONLY way to raise their standard of living."
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Note to others: c7sus thinks and talks like a socialist. In socialist lingo "pay salary" is called "exploit". When you are paying people do to a job, you are therefore "exploiting" them.

C7sus: Go to whatever factory that makes Behringers stuff. Ask the people there the following question: "Do you think we should stop buying the things you make, so you lose your job?" You will be surprised to learn, that they do NOT prefer being unemployed. Nor does anybody else that works in "sweatshop".

Then you can go to the president of whetever country you are in and ask them: "Does exporting products make your country richer or poorer?". Again, I am sure it will shock you to hear that the President in question will tell you that he would like to increase exports, but that protectionist people (like you) in the west is preventing him from doing this, and this making it harder for his country to get out of poverty.
 
Here's an idea: How about YOU start telling it like it REALLY is.

That you don't mind exploiting these folks one single iota because as far as your concerned they're just a bunch of goddamned "coolies" anyway.

This is the ultimate arrogance, Rege.

That YOU are gonna exploit these poor bastards and "help" them.

You're as phony as a 3-dollar bill.
 
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Here's an idea: How about YOU start telling it like it REALLY is.

That you don't mind exploiting these folks one single iota because as far as your concerned they're just a bunch of goddamned "coolies" anyway.
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I don't mind you saying I'm wrong, or stupid, or such things, but I do NOT appreciate that you imply that I am racist, a liar, or a bad person that don't care about others. I have told you this before, but you persist.

Your suggested politics are bad for people in the third world. The things I suggest are good for them. I know you don't understand this, but claiming that my stated goal (greater economic equality amongst nations) is in fact a lie, and that I say this because I like abusing people, is simply way out of line.

Do you really believe that workers in the third world WANT to be unemployed? No, of course you don't. Do you really believe it's bad for countreis to export? No, of course you don't. You know very well that I am correct, and that you are wrong, but after our earlier (and from your side way more civil) debates, this topic have now acquired way to much prestige for you. So now, when you run out of arguments, you resort to calling me, in effect, an evil, racist liar.

But that is a crappy reason to say stuff to people. That you do not agree with me is NOT a reason to say those things to me. You are simply being a right bastard and a complete asshole, equalled only by FT and possibly Derek.

I expect an apology.

I assume that you would like to call me insane again, since you now can't call me stupid (because you know I'm not), or evil racist (because it will make you look bad), so the only ways out for you know are shutting up (which you can't), apologizing (which you won't). So I'm gonna prevent that to, by reminding you of the last time you claimed I was insane, and thus making it impossible for you to go that way without looking like an idiot.

If you don't want to apologize now, do the trip above. Then you surely will come begging for forgivness. Until then, you would make a less fool out of yourself if you stopped discussing economics.
 
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LOL!!!!!

and yet no one knows what the behringer warehouse in china really looks like. however until i have concrete proof that they are using sweatshops and the people are walking around in loin cloths and being whipped by big angry guards and family are being sold into slavery by behringer.......I'll keep buying products that i like
 
it's a valid point that if you stop buying altogether then the factories will close.

but if companies start getting the impression that we really aren't happy about their exploitation, they'll change anyway. that, or the companies who act responsibly and ethically will become more and more successful through our conscientious buying and those Nike factories will close anyway:D

i'd be interested to know behringer's practices, but before i could do anything i'd need to know another company who i knew was 'better'. if mackie, or whoever, are doing the same thing, then lobbying may be the answer rather than boycotting.
 
i should say that mackie was just a name plucked out of the air and that i have no information or opinion on their practices!!
 
i should say that mackie was just a name plucked out of the air and that i have no information or opinion on their practices!!

but yes, i see your point:D
 
hey i know! the next time I go to buy weed, I'll be sure to ask the drug dealer if the marijuana was grown in a safe house in america with all the workers being paid atleast minimum wage with benefits, medical coverage and workers comp for if they get hurt and everyone has atleast graduated high school and no one working there is under 16.
 
Now that we've gotten off subject, might as well throw in my two cents.

Firstoff, even if you buy the argument that they're "better off" that way, you must remember that's not the reason the company does it. The company exploits people because of the bottom line. Profit. Not because they think that exploiting people is right.

And if I were Chinese, I'd rather be a farmer peasant living off the land for my food, working several hours a day and make no money, than work $70 a week for the minimal food and medical requirements and a little bit of pocket change.

Of coure, with land resources being eaten up (literally) that's nearly impossible.

Anyway, it's still great to see that there are conservatives out there who, even when they know something's immoral, minimalize it just to make themselves feel better.


Continuing...

Does anyone know about Alesis?
 
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