Does anyone here use Digidesigns Digi001?

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Clark_Griswold said:
Are you saying that the Delta1010 and Sonor will not take over the industry?? hmmm...
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not unless they make a package that cost like $10,000+ and make a new one about every 3 years. keep denying problems wit the system but still making a new one and saying its better then the other one even though they said the other one had no problem
 
right, right, right. Got it.

What a POS, huh?

Thanks for setting me straight on this. That's $10,000 i saved. whew!
 
But, the software *could* be better...etc. Will anyone else ever step in? What Logic is doing with the LogicControl is a good attempt in the low end home range I think....But I don't see ANYONE else thinking about taking on PT head to head.
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Umm, Logic isn't trying to take PT on head to head. The fact is, they make a crapload of money off of people who use their software with Digidesign hardware. They market their high-end software based on this assumption, and they even produce TDM versions of their plugins. (http://www.emagic.de/english/products/logic/esbtdm.html & http://www.emagic.de/english/news/index.html#049) emagic realized a long time ago that Digi had them beat in the hardware market, and have capitalized on the platform with their software for some time.

Until the day when someone comes along and offers the things that Digi offers... world-class plugins along the lines of the Sony Oxford EQ, the Bombfactory stuff, McDSP, etc., killer hardware (HD and the 192 I/O), and processing offloaded from the CPU... Digi will be the pro choice.
 
i doubt that could happen.. but would you not be happy with a hammerfall with apogee a/d d/a and a couple tc power cores? i know i would for a lot less money..

Clark_Griswold said:
Are you saying that the Delta1010 and Sonor will not take over the industry?? hmmm...
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charger said:


Umm, Logic isn't trying to take PT on head to head. The fact is, they make a crapload of money off of people who use their software with Digidesign hardware. They market their high-end software based on this assumption, and they even produce TDM versions of their plugins. (http://www.emagic.de/english/products/logic/esbtdm.html & http://www.emagic.de/english/news/index.html#049) emagic realized a long time ago that Digi had them beat in the hardware market, and have capitalized on the platform with their software for some time.

Until the day when someone comes along and offers the things that Digi offers... world-class plugins along the lines of the Sony Oxford EQ, the Bombfactory stuff, McDSP, etc., killer hardware (HD and the 192 I/O), and processing offloaded from the CPU... Digi will be the pro choice.
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I disagree that digi got anyone beat h/w wise. U can def make a system from 3rd party H?/W that would blow away digi H/W that y pros who use PT use 3rd party converters and clocks and what not cuz the digi H/W sucks relatively speakin...reason y digi running shit now i think is Old Habits are Hard to Break, and its the new A&R buzz word as Mackie was a few years back or SSL and so on
 
As long as we are clear on the distinction between the dig001 and a serious pro tools setup...which is never going to happen on a pc, I'm all for the digi001.
 
Excellent point J, and this is what frustrates me. People seem to automatically equate ProTools with the TDM. Is TDM more expensive? Yes. PLEASE, forget about TDM for now...

WE are talking about the Digi001, which is about $700. That seems to fall in line with the rest of the economic landscape around here, no?

It would be nice to here a discussion that DOESN'T involve something like "you can do something cheaper...."

Yes, and I could drive a Yugo, too...
 
the PT converters (even for the new HD)for the full blown rig suck to compared to apogee and mytek's also...digi converters just suck point blank
 
ok...such a convincing argument.

So go buy myteks and apogee's then. Who's stopping you? And honestly, when did we even start discussing converters??

If all you want to do if bash Digidesign, find somewhere else to do it. I think a few of us here were actually trying to help the original poster with a specific question.
 
Good Post Clark...

Yeah.... I seem to be getting some damn good results from the on board converters, in my Digi 001.....

So Teacher.., When did you have a chance to work on the new HD?. and during this venture, what were some of the features you liked?... Explain to us, what the differences are between the Tdm PT and the HD PT?...

To make a claim that strong, you must be a pro, so tell us smart guy.
 
Teacher - you are very ignorant on this. <sigh>

Do you really think full blown TDM system sucks?

And do you really think "most commerical stuff is still done on analog consoles"

Well, it isn't. Sure, plenty of stuff is....but plenty of stuff is done with Pro Tools as well.

No one offers what Digi offers, in terms of control surfaces...thats the *main* thing in my opinion. You can make an argument about I/O, or processing, or converters in big TDM (not that you will be hands down right, but..you can make it).

However, there is no other DAW setup in existance that gives you the look and feel of an analog console besides digi. And that is important for a lot of reasons. It's great for people who are pro engineers...want that familiarity and comfort..and are working 15 hour days.

Its also great for people who are doing tracks for Madonna at 50k a pop...and need to look impressive. I'm sorry, but Madonna doesn't want to see your PC with a hammerfall card and an outboard converter - thats fact..

You can poo-poo digi all you want to...that doesn't change the fact that their product is great by any measure (*even* if it isn't the best), and their business plan is genius.

I'm just suprised no one else is catching onto the full system idea. that was my point. If anyone is...then, its going to take a while to really develop to a competing level. That was my question - will ProTools still be industry standard in 10 years
 
btw - vox...you rock. and so do your recordings.

definately a good selling point for the 001.

I want some info on 002!

oh, btw...PT HD is still TDM, it's "TDM2"
 
wes480 said:
btw - vox...you rock. and so do your recordings.

definately a good selling point for the 001.

I want some info on 002!

oh, btw...PT HD is still TDM, it's "TDM2"
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Thanks Wes...;)



I know, but Most people in the biz call the new system "HD", and they call the older one just "TDM"....

Ask Teacher.. he will know all about it..:rolleyes:
 
Iam dying to hear news about a 002. Firewire... yeah, baby.

I guess I missed my opportunity last week. There was a message on my VM from Digidesign inviting me to a demo of the HD at a NYC dealer. I was not able to go. Damn! I could have heard the "sucky converters!" :)

The procontrol aspect of TDM is simply incredible, in my view. I worked on an album about 6 months ago in a brand-new studio that was pro-controled! WOW. What a nice way to work.

Vox and Wes, we are just finishing up an album done with the 001 and I hope I can get you guys to at least listen to something off of it!

Cheers and good luck,
C
 
I know we're supposed to be talking about the 001 and not TDM, but I wanted to add one more point about why TDM does not suck. It's not even about the converters (which pros have used with satisfaction), the clock (which in some interfaces wasn't so great, but Aardsync fixes that), or whatever.

TDM is high quality because of the effects processing (even additional tracks when you really get up there in number) are done on separate cards -- separate processors! We've seen discussions around here of how summing can make mixes suck because of introduced math errors in processing. I don't think TDM users have to worry about that. They can daisy-chain 13-slot chassis together for days and get all the dedicated processing they want ... and reserve each Mix card for whatever they want.

I'm sure the 192 rig is sweet.
 
the PT converters (even for the new HD)for the full blown rig suck to compared to apogee and mytek's also...digi converters just suck point blank
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Actually, I think it's you that sucks! :)
Where do you get this information? If you know so much about them, then you know that the converters for the 192 I/O were designed by a guy named Ed Meitner... he probably knows a little bit more about audio engineering than you. I've heard them next to Apogees, and I can tell by your comments that you haven't.
 
Uhh...

Greetings,

Uh...I used a TDM setup to record my high school band in my garage...and uh...it sounded...uh...lame...yeah....

Seriously, I watched the 001 promo video thingy and it seemed to me newbie eyes (and even in retrospect) that for a complete system (that has no compatability issues) that its pretty damn good for the price. Especialy when I look at PCI card + Converter + Preamp prices individually. Even if you argue the 001 sounds rae not perfect, what are they 95%? 90%? for the price and the power its still not bad for starting out.

But what the hell do i know.

SirRiff
 
geekgurl said:
I know we're supposed to be talking about the 001 and not TDM, but I wanted to add one more point about why TDM does not suck. It's not even about the converters (which pros have used with satisfaction), the clock (which in some interfaces wasn't so great, but Aardsync fixes that), or whatever.

TDM is high quality because of the effects processing (even additional tracks when you really get up there in number) are done on separate cards -- separate processors! We've seen discussions around here of how summing can make mixes suck because of introduced math errors in processing. I don't think TDM users have to worry about that. They can daisy-chain 13-slot chassis together for days and get all the dedicated processing they want ... and reserve each Mix card for whatever they want.

I'm sure the 192 rig is sweet.
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I think the summing issue is becoming very exaggerated. I think its more of an excuse for bad mixing. The lack of clarity associated with low end PC recording has alot to do with lack of EQ, lack of panning and bad monitoring. I know mixes I did that sounded small (years ago :) ) with that wooden stale sheen over everything had to do with not sculpting enough and defining things more. When I went back to the drawing board with more focused and aggressive EQ ...voila the mix opened up. Its very possible to get nice wide open, big sounding mixes with a computer and software program that cost you $3-500. You dont need PT (although it may help). You just have to a little work harder. The medium is a little less forgiving and requires more discipline.
 
this is what a guy who sells PT big time i didn't say this...this is what he uses...and most big time PT users (who have the $$$) do the same too. now would they do that if the converters didn't suck and when i say suck i mean delta 1010 and motu etc. suck too...BUT REMEMBER THIS IS IN RELATIVE TERMS FOOLS....Y wouldn't a company specializing in Converters make better converters then a company doing multiple things could it be that impossible? they cost like 2-6X more so i'd expect them to

but eh whatever i know nothing i've never been to a studio before wit PT :rolleyes:
 
Teacher, if you insist on sticking your foot in your mouth over and over, go right ahead. At least it's entertaining! ;)

Obviously, some guy who "sells PT big time" knows more than audio professionals who actually design hardware for a living. Not that a salesperson stands to gain *anything* by also selling a few grand extra in converters.

But the music industry, and "audio professionals" have actually been very favorable towards the 192 I/O. Clearly, you haven't heard it. Maybe you should let your "salesman" source speak for himself, and you should speak for yourself.
 
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