Distant guitars

[GhettoWayz]

I've used a metal zone since 1996.

but never in a serious capacity.
i plug direct into my amps live and in the studio.

i recently went to a jam where a guy was using a metal zone through a marshall 4x12 and the tone sucked. no definition or clarity, and way too loud. theres so many sounds you cna get with its 4 band EQ that more often then not someone dials in a shitty sound that pierces the ears.

i would lose it for recording at all costs unless you use it to go direct???

otherwise i prefer the amps tone/dist.

 

[Necromaniac]

This is a metal zone bashing thread?
Im going for an old swedish guitar sound. Listen to Fleshcrawl, Entomed, Grave, Dismember, The project hate. They have that real sick guitar tone, its putrid I LOVE IT. And they use the metal zone to get that sound and im having good luck getting that sound also so I will continue to use the pedal.
The reason I started this thread was to aquire some input as to how to get a real in your face sound with your guitar with the least amount of room ambiance. Right now I have the mic gain on my Digi Rack cranked up to about 80 percent and the guitars have a slightly distant sound to them. Im assuming the reason Im getting that distant sound is because the mic gain is up so high, but I have to turn it up that high just to get a good signal. Is there something Im missing?

 

[zekthedeadcow]

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as a drummer, the way I record guitars is to record the cab at a very loud setting from a distance of 2 to 3 (or more) feet to prevent proximity effect problems.... this works better on smaller amps... I think a 4x12 is too big to record well on in a home ... I'd use a 1x12 and turn the amp up louder... there's a physics explination for why this is a good way but.. i'm a drummer something along the lines of momentum causing compression plus driving tubes more etc...

....and of course mic with a condenser of some sort.

 

[HangDawg]

This is a metal zone bashing thread?
Im going for an old swedish guitar sound. Listen to Fleshcrawl, Entomed, Grave, Dismember, The project hate. They have that real sick guitar tone, its putrid I LOVE IT. And they use the metal zone to get that sound and im having good luck getting that sound also so I will continue to use the pedal.
The reason I started this thread was to aquire some input as to how to get a real in your face sound with your guitar with the least amount of room ambiance. Right now I have the mic gain on my Digi Rack cranked up to about 80 percent and the guitars have a slightly distant sound to them. Im assuming the reason Im getting that distant sound is because the mic gain is up so high, but I have to turn it up that high just to get a good signal. Is there something Im missing?

Dial in the sound you normally like (Metal Zone if you so desire). Now, once it sounds good to you where you are standing, go stick you ear right where you have the mic placed. I bet $10 it sounds like ass. The heaviest crunchiest guitar tones I have gotten sound terrible, I mean really terrible standing in front of the cab. Or anywhere in the room for that matter. I use the distortion from my head (Mesa dual rectifier) and it sounds pretty killer. But, I have the gain just slightly above 1/2. Bass(off) Mid(10 o'clock), Treb(9 o'clock) Volume (turned up to 11) SM57 stuck in the grill.

I'll give you a clip to hear if ya want one.

 

[Necromaniac]

Dial in the sound you normally like (Metal Zone if you so desire). Now, once it sounds good to you where you are standing, go stick you ear right where you have the mic placed. I bet $10 it sounds like ass. I

I always get right next to my cab when dialing in my sound. Its common sense that if you put the mic right in front of the grill thats the sound you are going to record. Ive got a really killer sound when I record it sounds sick as hell. But even when I have the guitar pretty loud and the mics right in the grill I still have to have the gain the the pre amp jacked up to like 80 percent. Is that normal?

Id like to put up a sample of my sound so you guys could give advice on what sounds right and wrong but I have no damn webspace.

 

[Greykitkat36]

I had a recording one time where the guitars were very distant, and it turned out that when we recorded them, their trim was low. Only if u are using D.I. should you keep the trim low.

 

[CMEZ]

Massive Master is right.

There's a point at which distortion becomes merely 'fuzz', and you lose attack. Loss of attack translates as 'distance'.

If you really want to keep some of that super-high gain sound, then just layer it BEHIND a track that has LESS gain; that way you can get that in your face sound of the pick hitting the strings and the speaker flexing.

g'luck,
Chris

 

[spankenstein]

I'm all for the less distortion. The fuzz loses punch. The last band I recorded wanted a bigger guitar sound, I went out turned the gain on his distortion pedal from 10 to liek 2 and they were much happier with the recording.

 

[mrface2112]

less is definitely more

i had that battle with one of the guitar players in our band. we multitrack all of our practices (just in case) and he wanted to know why the "dirty" channel of his amp sounded like shit compared to the clean on the recordings.

first, i told him it was b/c of his amp (solid state fender ultimate chorus), which has a really bad sounding distortion, and second it was b/c he was using waaaaay too much distortion. i turned it down and he was much happier. now he uses a tube screamer instead of changing channels on his amp and that's also really helped.

still though, not nearly as nice as when we can get him to play through our harp player's Blues Junior. i'm a big fan of low-wattage tube amps cranked.


wade

 

[Emperor !!!]

Lose the attitude, people here are just trying to help!!

 

[Mistral]

Hey, I just posted a metal tune that is a great example of what you're talking about I believe. Less distortion definitely allows for the kind of processing that is needed for a more in your face sound. Check it out:

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&postid=1054016#post1054016