Digidilemma

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Well, the upgrade's almost complete. I just got the Digi002. The computer from hell is not in house yet, so I'm playing around with the Digi002 as a standalone mixer, which I intend to use as the front end of a kickass remote recording rig. Here's the plan- 2 KM184's into an Avalon AD2022 into the Digi002 > out by S/PDIF to a Roland VS1824CD in stereo, bypassing the Roland's cruddy pres and mediocre AD convertor and straight to its hard disc. This should kick ass, yes? Here's the problem-
I've got it all patched up with the appropriate 75 ohm digital cable, and the Roland is clocking just fine. I've got tracks 1&2 patched internally to Digital L&R. Gain structure is fine, and the sound is excellent, but- The Digi002 is putting out both inputs to both outputs, even if I only use one input channel, and panning hard Lt. and Rt. does not help. I'm recording 2 channel mono. Are there any Digigeeks out there that can tell me what I'm missing? Thanks in advance for any clues.-Richie
 
that's just how it is. i'm guessing you are using protools? that's how protools works.

and in reality, stereo is just an effect to reproduce how your ears would naturally hear a live noise.

stereo doesn't really exist its just like you said, 2 mono tracks played at the same time and the different volumes of those tracks gives you the stereo effect.
 
No Cello, you are wrong on all counts. No, I am not using Pro Tools. As I said, I'm using the Digi002 as a standalone digital mixer. No computer is currently involved, and Pro Tools isn't even enabled. Secondly, stereo is not an effect created electronically. It involves 2 microphones in different positions picking up clearly different audio information, and then being split to separate components of a multiple speaker system to create an analog of what 2 human ears hear in real acoustic space. If stereo was an effect, you could create it by multiplying and panning a single track, but you can't because the (2) microphones are capturing separate and distinct audio data.
Thirdly, no that's not just how it is. Mixers sum multiple tracks to different busses, and I haven't figured out how to configure the Digi002 to send the 2 stereo channels to 2 separate busses, so I can get the audio data from 2 separate mics to be outputted on 2 separate channels, in this case, as digital data.
Hopefully, somebody will actually know how a digi002 works, and I'll get my answer. Unfortunately, the Pro Tools experts I know don't use the 002.-Richie
 
well i thought digidesign made it so only digi hardware could be used with digi software.

but you're using it for just a mixer...got you. you've wasted your money getting a 002 for a mixer.

stereo is an effect...an automatic one. your 2 mics on one instrument are just 2 different mono recordings panned. your equipment doesnt know if its vocals or some other instrument...your ears do thats why you're not getting me

i'm guessing you want it to have 2 separate tracks of each mic..but you're getting 2 mono tracks of both mics mixed?

explain your problem more...then you would get better answers.

bottom line...use your 002 for what it was made to do
 
cello_pudding said:
i'm guessing you want it to have 2 separate tracks of each mic..but you're getting 2 mono tracks of both mics mixed?

explain your problem more...then you would get better answers.

bottom line...use your 002 for what it was made to do
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That's exactly what he said in the first post. The 002 IS designed to be used as a stand alone digital mixer.

I can't help much because I've never used the 002 but usually the routing in compact digital boards is pretty tricky. Did the dog eat your manual? ;)
 
cello_pudding said:
well i thought digidesign made it so only digi hardware could be used with digi software.

but you're using it for just a mixer...got you. you've wasted your money getting a 002 for a mixer.

stereo is an effect...an automatic one. your 2 mics on one instrument are just 2 different mono recordings panned. your equipment doesnt know if its vocals or some other instrument...your ears do thats why you're not getting me

i'm guessing you want it to have 2 separate tracks of each mic..but you're getting 2 mono tracks of both mics mixed?

explain your problem more...then you would get better answers.

bottom line...use your 002 for what it was made to do
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?????? :confused:
 
Hello... McFly...
The digi002 is a multipurpose tool designed to function *either* as a standalone digital mixer *or* as a Pro Tools digital audio workstation. My uses for it involve more than one application. As you should have noticed from the original post, the computer this puppy will work with is being built, but is not yet in house. (translation- I don't have it yet). However, that is not the Digi002's only intended function. It will also be used in a remote recording rig for stereo recording, where the Digi002 will function primarily as an analog to digital convertor. Why? A Roland VS1824CD, which I happen to own, is one hell of a lot easier to haul to a gig than a badass silence cased desktop PC. The Roland's preamps suck, and its A-D conversion is so-so at best. Howver, it is a really good 24 bit, 96khz hard disc recorder wirh a pretty good control surface.
I *am* using the Digi002 for its intended function, in this case a standalone digital mixer. In the studio, it will be used as a Pro Tools DAW. My problem is, something about this puppy is configured so it is sending all inputs to both S/PDIF outputs, and panning the channels doesn't change that. And no, the dog hasn't eaten the manual, we've been studying the goddamn thing for 5 solid days without finding the answer. This question is intended for somebody who *actually* knows how to use a Digi002, and we haven't found that guy yet. The Digidesign users conference has also been no help. Right now, I can make some hellish mono recordings.-Richie
 
Hey Richie - This won't be of any help so I apologize if I'm hijacking your thread, but I did have something sort of similar (at least I think) happen for me. I have a Tascam fw-1884, and I was at one point using the s/pdif i/o to an M300 unit. I had the M300 setup for Parallel Routing but what I always seemed to get was serial.. So to me it seemed like it was only receiving a mono signal...?

Anyway I ended up selling the m300 and buying some plugins instead so I never really pursued it any further.
 
Woo Hoo! Stereo has been achieved! The fuckup was too embarassing to describe in detail, but we had a problem with routing in the Roland's internal patch bay. All better now. I always said someday I'd have a Neumann>Avalon signal chain!-Richie
 
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