Delta 44, another pop and click problem

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I knew it was to good to be true. I installed this thing, plugged everything into my mackie 1202, turned it on and everything sounded great from the beginning. I thought to myself, "no way it's that easy." I was right...

I've done my best trying to fix this problem by reading the archives and it sounds like there have been many others with the same kind of issues so hopefully someone with more knowledge can help me out...

Here's the deal. Everything sounds awesome until I start to multitrack record. If I record just one track all by its lonesome there is no problem at all, but as soon as I record over other tracks playing I get pops and distortion along with what I recorded. I've downloaded and installed the latest delta drivers for win98, I uninstalled the old ones, I've downloaded and installed the VIA 4in1 drivers, I've reinstalled my recording software (SAWpro) and I've fooled around with the Delta hardware settings, the buffer sizes and everything to no avail. The sick thing is that everything actually works about half of the time no matter what settings I use??? Why does it work sometimes but not all the time? Very strange...

I've got the minimum system requirements so that shouldn't be an issue. I don't know what else to do. I'm sure it's just a simple conflict somewhere, but I'm pretty clueless with the computer so I don't really know where to look to fix these things. I know that sometimes there is a very specific order to uninstalling and reinstalling drivers and software so I don't know if I'm going wrong there or what? This thing has to work eventually, right?

Somebody, anybody, please help!!!
 
I had EXACTLY the same problem as you are having, I tried everything to fix it and the clicking and popping wouldn't go away. I ended up with a realization: 1. old AMD motherboards especially with the VIA chipset are bad mobos to have in a DAW. 4-in-1 driver or not, the motherboard had to have been the root of my problem since I checked everything else. 2. to gaurantee the performance of a DAW you should build it from scratch with a great deal of attention paid to the stability of different parts, especially the motherboard.

I ended up with a TUSL2-C mobo and a 1.1 gig Celly and have had enormously smooth sailing ever since I ditched the VIA mobo. Its probably not the news you wanted to hear, but thats my experience.
 
You've got to be kidding?

Well, I've been using a SB Live with no problems so I must say I'm a little surprised at that news. I do know that the two use a lot of different resources though, so I know I might be screwed. Has anyone else with a Delta 44 and a AMD motherboard had this problem? Doesn't make any sense at all why they won't work together...

Thanks for the reply though, hopefully I can still sort it out.
 
Two other possible causes for clicks/pops:

PCI bus issue- two cards fighting each other for control of the bus.

Hard drive too slow/fragmented.

Hope this helps- good luck!
 
Hopefully not

I've got a ABIT VA6 motherboard with an Intel Celeron 500MHZ...

I don't think it's a PCI Bus issue either, I checked and the only other thing sharing is the ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ steering. I even went as far as disabling that and the problem is still there.

At this point I'm thinking it's either a driver issue or an issue with the Delta being used with SAWpro.

Also someone said that maybe I need to only use the Delta with my Audio Software and reinstall my Soundblaster for the computer's multimedia audio??? Maybe that's where I'm getting a conflict?

I don't know...
 
I don't know much about it but Celerons do seem to be troublesome for recording for a lot of people. Are you using CakeWalk? There are some known issues between CW and Delta Cards especially with GT Pro. Have you tried running Doctor Watson to look for conflicts? (I suppose you did but I had to ask.) Also, What version of Direct X are you running? You might look into upgrading that. Are you using DMA on your PCI bus? Try disabling it. And this may be a bit obvious but go into your Windows folder and make sure your Temp files are empty. If you haven't set up your machine for emptying the Temp files everyday you should. A full Temp folder will slow down your puter and cause crashes like crazy. In fact I often will stop about an hour into a session and empty my Temp folder. Sound files are huge and will have your Temp folder gagging for air in no time. That might be why your machine records well for a bit and then doesn't--a full Temp folder. Here's a link that may help a bit. It's about optimizing your machine for digital recording. Some of the info there is a bit dated and I don't agree with all of it but there are a lot of worthwhile tips and you just may discover your problem.

http://www.funklogic.com/pcaudio.htm
 
first 16 bit is as good as 24 bit, and now Celerons are troublesome for recording.......interesting......
 
Why is that interesting kiddo and how are the 2 related? And where are your great 24 bit recordings? Either put up or shut up pal. Nobody likes a mouthy sissy.
 
kiddo? :confused:

back to business, though....

Sicily: I don't know anything about the Delta 44 (though I definitely would like to), but I'm gonna tell you a story 'bout what happened to me a few months ago. I wanted to upgrade my system by buying and installing a new mobo, a new processor and new RAM. I went with a VIA (!) Chipset mobo, because it had good reviews (!), an AMD 1GHz and 256MB DDR-RAM. Sounded fine to me. I installed this stuff and wrestled with my machine for the next week, because of clicks and pops coming out of my soundcards (Audiowerk8 and SBLive). Believe me, I tried everything I could, but couldn't fix it until I bought a new mobo, because I found out (empirically) that VIA sucks! It was just all because of that damned chipset on that supposedly good mobo. So you should consider this being reality and check if your motherboard is the problem.

David.
 
Hi Sicily:

I installed a Delta 44 recently and have the exact same problem. I am using an older mother board, using bx chipset, which is typically rocksolid with anything.

I have a 1 GHz PIII and 512 MBs of ram so my machine is more than capable and I am running Win2K.

When I record 1 track not problem but add a few more and I hear this noise sort of like crackling. I can see it when using the analyzer in Coll Edit Pro. The realtime graph jumps whenever it encounters this crackling noise.

Interesting I can easily remove it with noise reduction without affecting the rest of the signal but it drives me crazy. Haven't figured it our yet. Spoke to Midiman and they say it is because of IRQ conflict.

I am building a new maching just for this board so we will see.

Dig
 
Hi Sicily:

I installed a Delta 44 recently and have the exact same problem. I am using an older mother board, using bx chipset, which is typically rocksolid with anything.

I have a 1 GHz PIII and 512 MBs of ram so my machine is more than capable and I am running Win2K.

When I record 1 track not problem but add a few more and I hear this noise sort of like crackling. I can see it when using the analyzer in Coll Edit Pro. The realtime graph jumps whenever it encounters this crackling noise.

Interesting I can easily remove it with noise reduction without affecting the rest of the signal but it drives me crazy. Haven't figured it our yet. Spoke to Midiman and they say it is because of IRQ conflict.

I am building a new maching just for this board so we will see.

Dig
 
sissy?? :confused:

Anyway, I had the same problem with being able to record one track clean, and on any other tracks I had the clicks and the pops. Dude, I spent over a month doing ever fix available on the net and nothing helped. CHANGE THE MOTHERBOARD!
 
Yeah, I'm thinking you're right

It appears the problem is driver related with MAudio and the VIA chipset...

Seriously though, it should work...MAudio needs to get it together and write some drviers that actually work. I didn't spend 250 bucks so that I could test for them and then buy another mobo. Because it works half of the time I have to believe that it's totally a curable problem, but it just hasn't been a priority or something...

In short, MAudio can eat it. All I know is that if I go out and buy a new mobo, change it out, reinstall everything and it still doesn't work...I'm going to be REALLY pissed off.

By the way guys...thank you for the responses...at least I know I'm not the only sorry sap with Delta problems.
 
delta44 + via chipset = BAD

I originally had my Delta44 on a mboard with a VIA Apollo Pro 133a and was never able to get the card to record/playback properly (w/out pops & clicks, etc.)

I performed every tweak imaginable...but finally just broke down and bought a new mboard with Intel chipset...haven't had 1 problem since...
 
I got it to work!

I can't believe it works after all I've tried and all I've read...I was a day away from dropping two bills on a new motherboard and processor which I will do eventually, but that's another post...

Anyway, for all Delta 44 and 66 users with a VIA chipset having pop and click problems, try this: Download the 4.1.22.27 driver set and the latest uninstaller from the M Audio driver page and unzip those to a temp folder or something. Uninstall any MAudio drivers that you may have loaded and remove the Delta 44 from your device manager/sound, video, game controllers. Shutdown and restart. Upon restarting the new device wizard thingy will detect new hardware and all of that business...point it to where ever you unzipped the 4.1.22.27 driver and maybe you'll be up and running like I am now...

I still don't understand why the latest and greatest MAudio drivers don't work with VIA chipsets. Considering the old ones do work I will stick with my opinion that MAudio needs to step it up with these new drivers...I don't know enough of the VIA history to really think otherwise. I will be writing to complain to MAudio, not that they'll care much, but anyway, someone needs to know.

Again, I would like to thank all those who tried to help me out with this problem, there is no way I would have gotten it solved (crossing my fingers that it stays fixed!!!) without these boards! Hopefully this older driver set will help some others as well.
 
I'm glad that worked for you, but I tried the same thing on the advice of a M-Audio techie and it didn't help. So its worth trying, but not a cure-all.
 
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