DAW & Video Editing - Potential Conflicts?

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Hi,
Over the past year or so I have been researching assembling a PC based DAW. However, I have also decided that I would like the PC to be capable of video editing (digital mostly, and analogue-to-digital conversion).

Are there any *general* issues that I need to look out for (I'm going to post a more specific question for my audio software of choice on the appropriate website)?

I'm talking here about anything that would mean that audio recording / tracking / editing and video editing would interfere with each other.

thanks,

GVDV.
 
They have software that does both in one application...such as Sony's Vegas or Steinberg's Nuendo 3.

To do video...you would need a videocard that has tv in/out
To do audio...you would need a soundcard that meets your needs as there are plenty to offer on the market nowadays

I dont see you having issues as long as you get a pc w/ some good speed and lots of memory for it with a nice soundcard and videocard!
 
I'm doing audio with Cubase and Ntrack on a tower and laptop
I'm also doing video editing using Sony Vegas Studio ($99 - excellent app) on both too.

Zero problems.
 
Hi Markaholic and Tim,
Many thanks for the replies.

Tim, can you tell me why you're using both Cubase and Ntrack? And do either of you know how does Sony Vegas Studio relate to their more expensive products?

I'm very into a high degree of manual control - one of the things that I'd like to do is make some music videos for my songs, so I'll need a fine degree of audio-to-video synchronization. I'm not too interested in effects.

Thanks,

GVDV.
 
gvdv said:
I'm very into a high degree of manual control - one of the things that I'd like to do is make some music videos for my songs, so I'll need a fine degree of audio-to-video synchronization. I'm not too interested in effects.

Thanks,

GVDV.
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It all depends on what your term of "high degree of manual control" is.

If you want to do some serious sh*t with video...that can be a whole new world and a whole different set of toys!

But you can do some decent video and audio stuff with those apps...hope this helps.
 
if you are going to do video capture..........

gvdv said:
Hi,
Over the past year or so I have been researching assembling a PC based DAW. However, I have also decided that I would like the PC to be capable of video editing (digital mostly, and analogue-to-digital conversion).

Are there any *general* issues that I need to look out for (I'm going to post a more specific question for my audio software of choice on the appropriate website)?

I'm talking here about anything that would mean that audio recording / tracking / editing and video editing would interfere with each other.

thanks,

GVDV.
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and want to work with your own video, if it is a DV format you will probably want to make sure you have a firewire interface. To convert from digital to analog, then into a video card, then back to digital, not so good for quality.

to use something like sonar and premier on the same system I would probably use two removeable drives on caddys, both with a bootable os and a single ap. then use a two drive raid array for the data. or you can use an ap like Vegas. Vegas started out life as an audio editor, then they added video.

people who started out using vegas seem to like it. people moving from avid or premier are not so happy. vegas is owned by Sony now, so support should be good and updates should be prompt. should be.

at the www.videoguys.com blog, gary says he has like five different editing systems going at the same time on a dual processing system with no conflicts. says he is going to post a performance shoot out. you may want to watch for that. that have a lot of compatibility info and xp tweaks there, too.

if you are going to use something like a canopus card or a decklink card and an audio card you (in my opinion) need to research that as much as possible before you buy(I guess you are doing that now!). If the standard install for both programs try to claim the same interupts, i/o ports or whatever you WILL have problems. Of course winXP is supposed to take care of these conflicts. Hmmmmmm.......
 
Thanks, Markaholic.
To give you an idea of what I mean when I say that I'm interested in a high degree of manual control, I'll quote the following in related media that I've used.

When designing my business cards and stationery, I've used a 16,000% zoom to position a dot in a 10pt. font. I've also spent hours digitally retouching photos (matching the density of pixels etc., to ensure a smoothe 'bleed' of a tiny reflection on a shiny floor into adjoining areas of lesser density).

Bringing this kind of idea into the audio/video world, I want to be able to have the finest degree of control of things like frame rates matched to accompanying audio (e.g., if there's footage of a close-up of someone singing, I want to match the audio to the video so that there's no discernible lag in sync. between the audio and video of the person's lips moving. I also want to be able to output this as PAL in addition to NTSC).

I'm not interested in having automated controls if the parameters cannot be adjusted manually (e.g., I've read that de-essers and the like are available in video editing software, and I would expect to be able to control the threshold, level of compression and other features that may be a component of tools such as de-essers).

Maybe this kind of thing doesn't constitute precise control within the contexts of video editing, but this is the kind of thing that I'm talking about.

Thanks,

GVDV
 
most everybodys entry level programs...........

gvdv said:
Hi Markaholic and Tim,
Many thanks for the replies.

Tim, can you tell me why you're using both Cubase and Ntrack? And do either of you know how does Sony Vegas Studio relate to their more expensive products?

I'm very into a high degree of manual control - one of the things that I'd like to do is make some music videos for my songs, so I'll need a fine degree of audio-to-video synchronization. I'm not too interested in effects.

Thanks,

GVDV.
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will do 95% of what you want. of course for exactly what you want you have to buy the full program. I think the vendors do this on purpose. Full Vegas has some things like speeding up video and slowing it down (like those commercials where a car comes speeding toward you fast, fast, fast, then suddenly slows so you can get a good look as it passed directly by, then speeds up again to faster than normal and zooms away). I would try to decide exactly what I HAD to have out of my aps and then start reading the mags, emailing their tech supports, and haunting the BB's(hmm, is that what you are doing now:))
 
Hi RStilstkin (nice User Name),
Thanks for the info., referrals, and suggestions - very helpful.

Yes, the old interrupts are what I'm most worried about. I've had problems in XP with that kind of thing, although I'm not really sure if those problems are fully attributable to the OS, as my (very expensive) Dell laptop has been very disappointing in comparison to other, cheaper laptops owned by my friends.

Thanks, once again,

GVDV.
 
heard of adr?

gvdv said:
Thanks, Markaholic.
To give you an idea of what I mean when I say that I'm interested in a high degree of manual control, I'll quote the following in related media that I've used.

When designing my business cards and stationery, I've used a 16,000% zoom to position a dot in a 10pt. font. I've also spent hours digitally retouching photos (matching the density of pixels etc., to ensure a smoothe 'bleed' of a tiny reflection on a shiny floor into adjoining areas of lesser density).

Bringing this kind of idea into the audio/video world, I want to be able to have the finest degree of control of things like frame rates matched to accompanying audio (e.g., if there's footage of a close-up of someone singing, I want to match the audio to the video so that there's no discernible lag in sync. between the audio and video of the person's lips moving. I also want to be able to output this as PAL in addition to NTSC).

I'm not interested in having automated controls if the parameters cannot be adjusted manually (e.g., I've read that de-essers and the like are available in video editing software, and I would expect to be able to control the threshold, level of compression and other features that may be a component of tools such as de-essers).

Maybe this kind of thing doesn't constitute precise control within the contexts of video editing, but this is the kind of thing that I'm talking about.

Thanks,

GVDV
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most (or much) of the dialog (and sound in general) are put in and synced after the images are shot. the sound effects (foley) are of course put in after and synced to the image. a lot of this is originally done on avid dedicated systems, and a lot of that functionality is coming down to their lesser packages.

I can pretty much tell you now, no entry level system will do what you want.

you might check out avid and vegas, to the point of trying to find someone that has the system and going and seeing if they can do what you want. You generally don't want to ask a salesperson if a product can do what you want.

If you want to see state of the art, see the new star wars movie. it is almost totally a creation of computers. there are very few actual sets. Or see sin city, very different movie, but almost totally created on a computer.

in star wars, it is so slick, you rarely notice it. in sin city, all you do is notice it.
 
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Hi RStiltskin,
Thanks for your post.

I would imagine that something of the quality of Abobe Premiere would be able to do what I want - I'm not really looking for what I'd normally think of as Foley effects (people simulating sound effects - doors opening, foosteps, wind whooshing through the trees etc.). I'm more into making a functional music video, and being able to do basic, documentaries - but both without any kind of synching problems etc..

Funny that you should mention Avid, because one of my friends started out with Avid when it was in its infancy just after we graduated from our photography, film and T.V. degree in 1985.

Thanks, once again,

GVDV.
 
nice website, what do you think about NLP?

gvdv said:
Hi RStilstkin (nice User Name),
Thanks for the info., referrals, and suggestions - very helpful.

Yes, the old interrupts are what I'm most worried about. I've had problems in XP with that kind of thing, although I'm not really sure if those problems are fully attributable to the OS, as my (very expensive) Dell laptop has been very disappointing in comparison to other, cheaper laptops owned by my friends.

Thanks, once again,

GVDV.
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avid has an addon coprocessor (speeder upper) that works to greatly enhance their software (its called mojo), it is outboard and hooks up by firewire. would it interfere with a mackie onyx with the addin firewire interface and Sonar? I don't think at this time anyone could tell you, not even avid and mackie.

will you be wanting to do training and/or interactive videos?

do you want a graceful (or at least possible) upgrade path to HD video res? If so do you want high bit rate sdi HD video or lower bit rate HDV (to very different animals (one has about 20mbit per second data stream, one up to 100mbit per second, or even higher).

this area is something I have been researching for several years, and some solutions are just now becoming viable. PM me anytime, I have a pinnacle dv1000 card, and premier, commotion, boris fx, title deco and calkwalk with a bunch of add ins, like auto tune and loudness maximizer. I had to put them on two systems. I have 2 ardvark 24/96's.

everything now works, even if it is all obsolete. I have been planning to buy back in and gathering data for quite awhile. I sure have lots of questions, myself.

How is the ROM doing? Still lovely? should be starting to warm up, up there.
 
does it seem like I can't shut up? where's my haldol!

gvdv said:
I would imagine that something of the quality of Abobe Premiere would be able to do what I want - I'm not really looking for what I'd normally think of as Foley effects (people simulating sound effects - doors opening, foosteps, wind whooshing through the trees etc.). I'm more into making a functional music video, and being able to do basic, documentaries - but both without any kind of synching problems etc..

Funny that you should mention Avid, because one of my friends started out with Avid when it was in its infancy just after we graduated from our photography, film and T.V. degree in 1985.
GVDV.
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say you have a great video, but the base player flubs something audibly(but it LOOKS great). You want to replace that part, do you do it in the audio editor, the video editor? If you are in a hurry, and want to do a quick mute of that microsecond in your video editor, the ability to foley or do adr will have to be built in, I think.

If you are wanting to do a music video, you will probably want after affects (another grand, gone) or an after effects like package. just about a must have for professional looking video, sad to say.

serious magic has an excellent package for interactive and/or not too involved training videos. I don't think you want to get in MacroMedia's Director (of course you can do anything with it, if you want to dedicate your life to it).

sounds like you have an adventure ahead!

I guess after university, you know what foley and adr are(is?) better than I. I think I should wait and see what you get!! Photography is my first and best love (nikon, nikon, nikon, nikon, NIKON!(sorry, little bit tilted in this field)).
 
Hi RStilstkin,
Very good questions and suggestions - enough to keep me going for quite a while, I think. Some of what you said is way above my head (don't forget, my last real knowledge of this kind of technology was a very general one in 1986).

I will take you up on your kind offer of PM'ing you.

As for the ROM, they're really messing it up now; they designed a new wing, and then found the design unvialable for some reason - perhaps financial. So, they're doing an 'economy' version (my words): the design looks like an amalgam of two very different approaches. We'll see what happens, but I'm not optimistic.

Thanks, once again,

GVDV
 
Sony Vegas Studio is a toy compared to Adobe Premiere Elements which costs roughly the same price. With Elements you get all of the functionality of Premiere Pro minus certain batch capture functionality and nested timelines.

The level of control over keyframeable parameters in Elements far exceeds anything else avaiable at the $99 pricepoint (Vegas Studio, Pinnacle Studio, ULead).

Adobe as a free trial download of Elements on their site.
 
Hmmm.. So if I were to venture into the digital video editing world.. I guess I definitely need a FireWire.. and a nice video card? What features would I look for in a Video Card?
 
gvdv said:
I'm talking here about anything that would mean that audio recording / tracking / editing and video editing would interfere with each other.

thanks,

GVDV.
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I'm using Premiere and Pro Tracs(Cakewalk) on a laptop... no problems. So far.
 
scarboro78 said:
Hmmm.. So if I were to venture into the digital video editing world.. I guess I definitely need a FireWire.. and a nice video card? What features would I look for in a Video Card?
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You don't need anything special for a video card. The only necessity is the Firewire port.
 
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