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y2jerik0
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in the world of poly-rhythm drumming, is dan carrey (Tool) considered high up there on the list?
tubedude
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He is on my list. I just like his style.
Tim Brown
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I guess that depends upon who you ask. Most of of us probably think that DC is killer, but I'm sure there are some long time Jazz players who probably view him as a beginner regarding his polyrhythmic work - there's always going to be somebody looking down on another players abilities. So, what does it really matter? I mean if you like him, and like tool - I wouldn't worry about what other people think about him.
I think he's an incredible drummer, but to be honest I can't stand tool.
To me, Maynard sounds just like Ian Anderson from Jethro Tull - and that is one of the reasons I don't like tool... on top of that, I just find them really boring songwriters.
Tim
I think he's an incredible drummer, but to be honest I can't stand tool.
To me, Maynard sounds just like Ian Anderson from Jethro Tull - and that is one of the reasons I don't like tool... on top of that, I just find them really boring songwriters.
Tim
tubedude
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Tim Brown said:
Maynard is one of the best, plain and simple. Gotta say, Tool is one of my favorites too, and has been for 10 years. I have trouble believing anyone would feel the way you do about them, but then, it takes all types eh?
Tim Brown
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tubedude said:
Yeah, to me they are just utterly boring & pretentious radio rock. I saw tool before they ever made it at a SXSW type of event that was held in Orlando, and they gave me a demo (it was a 4 song CD with their logo on the disc), and they all seemed like really nice guys - I still have this sticker on one of my roadcases of the original Tool logo (where it was the "penis wrench") I thought the logo was great, but I just didn't like the music... but then again - I like Metal, and they are really hard rock - it wasn't heavy enough to me, and it was kind of "alternative", and just never was my thing. Like Sound Garden and a few other bands that came out back then.
I don't even know the other two guys names, and couldn't tell you what they look like now.
Of course, regarding Maynard, I like singers with a 3+ octave screaming range, and songs that tend to be fantasy sword and sorcery tytpe of material, flying double bass and all of that...
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Ronan
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y2jerik0 said:
Yes. He is.
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wishtheend
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Chris Pennie of the Dillinger Escape Plan.
www.myspace.com/tdep
He's changed my view of how good a drummer can be. I guess he's really into these "advance african tribal drumming vol 3" crazy ass books. +1!
www.myspace.com/tdep
He's changed my view of how good a drummer can be. I guess he's really into these "advance african tribal drumming vol 3" crazy ass books. +1!
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DuoToneBand
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i LOVE danny
Saw him last night with volto
got the sticks he used at the show too
i LOVE danny
Saw him last night with volto
got the sticks he used at the show too
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Tim Brown said:
hey, i'm never in this part of the forum...but saw this thread on Tool and had to jump in
I'm a huge fan of Tool as they are anything BUT modern popular rock. Their compositions are never stale like most stuff you hear on the radio and hardly ever follow any set form. Melodically and harmonically they're songs are just amazing. Great drummer too, there isn't much rhythmic/time change variety in songs nowadays. Creed, Audioslave, Shinedown, Puddle of Mudd...all those bands sound so static to me. And Maynard's lyricism is not like anyone's I've heard. Not to mention his vocal stylings are extremely advanced. No, he doesn't have a 3 octave range like the old 70's metal hair bands, but really that's not what they are trying to imitate. And no, they're not a grunge heavy metal band with a triple kick drum beater and the same rhythm over and over again. They're much more into meter changes and syncopated rhythms....the kind of stuff that makes you think when you're trying to tap your foot to it. Not to mention Danny Carey still has jazz ties which I totally respect in a rock drummer (plus, he went to my college
)Have you heard a lot of their non-radio, "avant garde" songs? Definitely some weird compositions.
Just my thoughts
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tilinmyowngrave
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Danny Carey is my favorite drummer. Yes, there are better. Buddy RIch, Terry Bozzio, Billy Cobham (thats just my opinion). But Danny Carey's style and sound is really good, and hes the guy that made me serious about drumming. My idea of a good drummer changed when I listened to Danny Carey. My personal favorites are "Ticks and Leeches" and "Lateralus". Also, listening to Danny Carey allowed me to learn about and appreciate drummers such as Buddy Rich and Billy CObham. My 18" power crash was supposedly used and signed by Carey. I'm not sure about its authenticity, especially since it was only around $220, but the signature looks pretty authentic, and it sounds great. One of my favorite cymbals. I could go on... but I'll stop.
Tim Brown
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bennychico11 said:hey, i'm never in this part of the forum...but saw this thread on Tool and had to jump in
I'm a huge fan of Tool as they are anything BUT modern popular rock.
Have you heard a lot of their non-radio, "avant garde" songs? Definitely some weird compositions.
Just my thoughts
Trust me I've heard enough tool to last a lifetime - My old bass player loves them. Tool is played at least once an hour on our local "Alternative" rock station, so to me - they are definitely modern radio rock. My two options on the radio are Modern "Alternative" (Alternative to WHAT? It's mainstream these days) and Classic Rock (they have about 6 bands they play over and over...if you don't like Boston and Lynyrd Skynyrd, this isn't the station for you) So obviously, since my musical choice is Power Metal & Neo-Classical, I rarely listen to the radio.
I realize they are trying to do their thing - I'm just not into what they are doing. I like music that tends to have a fast tempo, or if it's slow it sounds like music from an old horror film or some gothic/classical piece - personally I hate jazz. That's why I find tool boring - the odd time signatures don't do anything for me, whereas my bass player loves all that, but he's really into newer prog metal bands as well as bands like Yes and King Crimson.
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tilinmyowngrave
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Tim Brown said:
I can't stand classic rock and most power metal, so that may explain why we have different views on Tool
. I go for progressive rock (Tool, A Perfect Circle, Dream Theater, Rush, King Crimson, and Mahavishnu orchestra (are they really progressive rock though? Ionno what mahavishnu orchestra is, other than really good). ANd the occasional nu metal (system of a down, deftones, type O negative). ANd some jazz (Buddy RIch, Billy Cobham, Ray CHarles).
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DuoToneBand
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Tim Brown said:
Maybe "Hooker with a Penis" was written about you!
Maybe you havnt listened to the good stuff. I dont think anyone on earth can say that Lateralus isnt a great album. It has HUGE dynamic changes, and gorgeous songs. Early stuff (Opiate and SOME of Undertow) can get a little boring, but Aemina and Lateralus are such amazing albums.
Tim Brown
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tilinmyowngrave said:I can't stand classic rock and most power metal, so that may explain why we have different views on Tool
It's the age difference man - see, I can't stand Nu Metal at all. ugh!
Mahavishnu Orchestra is Fusion. I liked Dream Theater when the first came out - but back then they were like "progrssive Radio Rock", kind of in the "Inspired by Kansas" category.... after Kevin Moore left, I didn't really care for them.
Tim
Tim Brown
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DuoToneBand said:Maybe "Hooker with a Penis" was written about you!
Maybe you havnt listened to the good stuff. I dont think anyone on earth can say that Lateralus isnt a great album. It has HUGE dynamic changes, and gorgeous songs. Early stuff (Opiate and SOME of Undertow) can get a little boring, but Aemina and Lateralus are such amazing albums.
Even if I liked their music, I couldn't get past Maynard's voice. I keep waiting for the music to suddenly stop and him exclaim, "Sitting on a park bench!"
Tim
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DuoToneBand
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Tim Brown said:
haha.
to each his own. Most think he has one of the best voices ever.
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tilinmyowngrave
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Tim Brown said:It's the age difference man - see, I can't stand Nu Metal at all. ugh!
Mahavishnu Orchestra is Fusion. I liked Dream Theater when the first came out - but back then they were like "progrssive Radio Rock", kind of in the "Inspired by Kansas" category.... after Kevin Moore left, I didn't really care for them.
Tim
I cant stand most nu metal either. But i like the deftones and type O negative, Ionno why lol. But when it comes to bands like korn, taproot, el nino, and limp bizshit... keep them away
. And I agree with duotone, maynard has a great voice (along with serj tankian).
tubedude
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For the record, SOAD and Type O NEgative are anything BUT numetal bands. They both have a sound and style that is untouched by any other band on the market that I can find. You guys gotta be careful with your generic classifications. Its not fair to the bands that are doing something real and different.
I happen to like that dudes voice in AquaLung too, ha, but he does NOT sound like Maynard, haha. Too funny.
I happen to like that dudes voice in AquaLung too, ha, but he does NOT sound like Maynard, haha. Too funny.
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tilinmyowngrave
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tubedude said:
Yea, one of the reasons I love System of a Down so much is because they are different. From what I've heard, they have taken a lot of influences from Armenian folk music. And then their is the message of the band. They sing about the genocide of the Armenians by the Turks, and they have even done concerts to raise money so the genocide would be recognized. And yet they say they aren't a political band, which is also true, since they sing more than just politics. On the other hand, bands like greenday and many punk pop bands are trying to look like they are political bands, but their songs are simple and full of shit. Type O Negative... they are also different... but really good. Fuck classifications.
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I agree ... different strokes for different folks .... on that note ... Tool flat out jams IMHO. And yes, Maynard sounds nothing like Ian.