cubasis

[Neil Ogilvie]

I have never heard of Ned Kelly, but I am familiar with Robin Hood. If I'm not mistaken, he was considered a hero to the people because he was simply returning money taken from innocent people by a tyrannical ruler who was taking more than his fair share in the form of taxes.

Good point, well made.
You seem to care about cracked software a lot Bass master K, which I have no problem with. I am also beginning to see where your coming from. My original conceptions of pirate software came mainly from the fact I realise how lucky I am to have what I've got and be able to attain it legally. I saw what talent this guy (the same guy with the kids) had, and saw it as an injustice that poverty should get in the way of using his talent. I guess it's kinda political which isn't really a subject for this forum. But I am beginning to understand where your coming from now. If someone can afford to buy it but don't because they want to save money, then yeah, that is theft.
Cubase cost me a fortune, but the difference it made from Cubasis was worth the money. I can see why people would want it without paying for it, but when it's not within there means to pay for it, line betweeen right and wrong begin to blur, although I would side with you now, but hesitantly.
By the way, Ned Kelly was an Australian version of Robin Hood, but circa 1900. He was famous for his homemade armour.
Anyway.........

 

[Bass Master "K"]

I saw what talent this guy (the same guy with the kids) had, and saw it as an injustice that poverty should get in the way of using his talent. I guess it's kinda political which isn't really a subject for this forum. But I am beginning to understand where your coming from now. If someone can afford to buy it but don't because they want to save money, then yeah, that is theft.
Cubase cost me a fortune, but the difference it made from Cubasis was worth the money. I can see why people would want it without paying for it, but when it's not within there means to pay for it, line betweeen right and wrong begin to blur, although I would side with you now, but hesitantly.

Let me see if I can drag you the rest of the way to the light side young padiwan Let us discuss your poverty stricken friend. Can he really not afford it, or does he just choose not to make a budget and sacrifice to do the right thing? What does he run Cubase on? I would guess a computer...how did he get that computer? If it's a computer capable of running Cubase it is not a computer he got for free (unless he stole this too). Does your friend have a nice TV and stereo? Maybe even cable? How about a hookup to the internet? What kind of car does he drive? Are you telling me he couldn't have saved $100 to get into Cubasis and worked his way up from there, getting upgrade prices? Or is it that he didn't want to make the sacrifice when it's so easy to steal?

If the lines blur based on money and someone's desire for something let's look at poor me. I REALLY want a Corvette. I would treat it so good, and I love driving. I'm a very good driver with a great track record...I would be the model citizen for showing the proper way to drive a Corvette. One problem....I drive a pick-up. I can't afford a Corvette, not even with my excellent credit. Should I be able to just go grab one and take it since my impoverished living won't let me afford one? It's just stealing from a big company after all, so there really isn't a victem right? Of course there is a victem, just like there is in stealing sofware from Steinberg, it's just that stealing software there is less of a chance that I am going to meet my victem face to face. I would ask you, if your friend had to stand in front of the board of directors for Steinberg and try to steal their software would he try it? How about if he just had to explain to them why he "needs" to steal it...do you think he would feel comfortable? Of course not....cowards don't, they love to slink in the shadows on anonymity.

I am not sure when we moved from the noble moral value of "working for what I want and taking pride in providing for myself" to "taking what's not mine as long as I don't get caught, because I deserve it". I don't have the worlds best TV...it has a nasty hum in the background. My stereo is not bad, but not the best. I don't have cable. I drive my faithful pickup. The place I rent is no palace by any means. When I see something I really need but can't afford I have to tighten the budget and get out to get more gigs and push CD sales. It's not much, but it's an honest living. Someday I hope I have a lot more, but that day will come when I earn it, not when I steal it. When I was born 30 years ago, I think 85% of people felt the way I do. Now I feel like 85% of people are more like this friend. Do you feel like people are better people now than thirty years ago? Do you think the world is headed in a better direction? I see a big connection, even to something as small as stealing software.

It's not WHAT your stealing that counts.
It's that your STEALING that counts.

You seem like a cool guy Neil, I'm not coming down on you. This is just one of those areas in life that I feel really strongly about (in case you couldn't tell ) and sometimes I think people just go along with the masses because they don't stop to think about their actions and the moral repercussions of a society that is more and more becoming selfish and not thinking about what is right. A society that is more and more concerned about getting what they can get, regardless of whether or not it is in the right way, or if someone else gets hurt in the process. I hope for my son's sake, and your friend's families sake that people take notice and change to turn things around and make the world a better place. *snif snif* Think I'll go turn on Lennon's "Imagine"

Peace.

 

[jitteringjim]

Hey! How about that friggin' manual already, duuuudz?

 

[Bass Master "K"]

LOL, are you insinuating we got a bit off topic here jim??

 

[jitteringjim]

 

[Clive Hugh]

Try this one, I have a legal copy of Cubasis, I get no help from the company I bought it from ,so ring Steinberg, they recommend the same person I got it from. I had a gripe about it on this website and lo and behold, an email offering me a copy of the manual. It arrived and guess what, its far clearer than the manual I got with the software.
It would seem that the manual available in the US is better written than the European one.
Thanks buddy, I won't mention your name for obvious reasons. but Steinberg want their arses kicked round the block a few times.
Clive

 

[Neil Ogilvie]

This is just one of those areas in life that I feel really strongly about (in case you couldn't tell ) and sometimes I think people just go along with the masses because they don't stop to think about their actions and the moral repercussions of a society that is more and more becoming selfish and not thinking about what is right. A society that is more and more concerned about getting what they can get, regardless of whether or not it is in the right way, or if someone else gets hurt in the process. I hope for my son's sake, and your friend's families sake that people take notice and change to turn things around and make the world a better place.

Peace.

THAT won me over.

I think this topic has been argued and won.
Later Bass master K

 

[Bass Master "K"]

Wow! I won I won I won I won I won!!
j/k

LOL.

Your a good guy Neil to even go this far with me in the discussion. There are few things I am so passionate about and you have been a good sport through the whole talk.

Take care and happy music making buddy.