up-fiddler
Taming the World--for now
andyhix said:
I play electric and upright bass and mandolin.
I play electric and upright bass and mandolin.
dave.....
New member
can i play ???
hey guys great idea......... i have a porta 02 will that work w/ your idea ??? if so i would love to try some of my guitar solos on your stuff original or covers dosent matter to me.. i play classic rock and blues and would love to try this.... let me know what you think please
hey guys great idea......... i have a porta 02 will that work w/ your idea ??? if so i would love to try some of my guitar solos on your stuff original or covers dosent matter to me.. i play classic rock and blues and would love to try this.... let me know what you think please
dave.....
New member
oops
oops i forgot to mention my wife is a great singer she has that great blues voice.. if you need anything like that ??
oops i forgot to mention my wife is a great singer she has that great blues voice.. if you need anything like that ??
andyhix
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Sure thing! Once again, I thought this idea was destined for nothingness, but thanks to Dave....., it lives again!!
I will repost here again in the next day or so with a summary of who involved, and a propsed schedule of recording. For the record, I don't want to be the task master/boss/etc. here, but it seems like people are only checking in every few days at best, so I want try to keep things alive and moving forward. That's all. I just finished a fairly involved recording project, so now I'm itching to move on to something else.
I also need to see if I can dig out that TAB for Space Oddity. Do we want to do one more cover or no? I'm open to ideas/suggestions.
I will repost here again in the next day or so with a summary of who involved, and a propsed schedule of recording. For the record, I don't want to be the task master/boss/etc. here, but it seems like people are only checking in every few days at best, so I want try to keep things alive and moving forward. That's all. I just finished a fairly involved recording project, so now I'm itching to move on to something else.
I also need to see if I can dig out that TAB for Space Oddity. Do we want to do one more cover or no? I'm open to ideas/suggestions.
dave.....
New member
great
this could be a lot of fun it might take a while i am ok w/ that .. cant wait to get started ...
this could be a lot of fun it might take a while i am ok w/ that .. cant wait to get started ...
B
Bill Furnett
New member
Progress report??
andyhix
:dank:
Boy, for a guy who's not even willing to participate, you sure are pushy! 
OK, here's my progress report - I located the tab/sheet music for space oddity, lifted out of a guitar mag several years back. So that should be helpful.
I'm still waiting for suggestions for one more cover tune. I suggested Peace Frog a while back, just because it was chugging through my head at the time. I'd be up for anything, though. Maybe something a bit more organic, so we can use that mandolin, fiddle, etc., or we could save that for more of the original experimental stuff....
The Band
Auralmirage - electric blues guitar, ac guitar, djembe, digeredoo, bass guitar, random percussion, sitar.
Andyhix - ac. rhythm guitar, el. rhythm guitar, half-assed el. ld. guitar, harmonica, shaker eggs, triangle, ukulele, ld. vocals, and/or backing vocals (tenor-ish).
Up-fiddler - fiddle, el. bass, upright bass, mandolin
dave..... - Lead Guitar
dave.....'s wife - vocals
Clevodrummer - drums
It's not too late for someone else to jump in, too!
The process
What I typically do at home is record 4 tracks (say, a stereo drum track, bass, and guitar), then, I mix that down to 2 tracks on a seperate machine. And I have 2 more free tracks. Using this technique, I get basically 6 tracks, without ever losing stereo-ness.
In contrast, when you do the internal bounce (on one machine, all tracks that are bounced together, must be panned to the same place in the sound scene)
So, we could do something like that - the 6 track option, or, a combination of the two techniques. The real crux becomes whether or not we want the drums recorded in stereo or not. If we can be happy with mono drums, then that gives us a fair bit of more room. We could record 1 track of drums, 1 of bass, bounce them internally, and still have 3 tracks left to record on on the first tape. We could still do the stereo external bounce to a seperate machine to get 2 more tracks. Basically, then we would have 7 seperate instruments recorded, as opposed to only 5 (with drums in stereo and taking up 2 tracks).
So, all that being said, what does our esteemed drummer, Mr. Clevo think about it, both for Space Oddity and anything else we do. Can we get away with a single mono drum track, or would you feel short changed, that way? Regardless, how would you, Clevo, prefer to start? Someone could lay down a scratchtrack to a metronome, for you to follow, or you could simply play along with the CD at home, etc. I think for the other musicians sake, the sooner we can get the drums on tape, the better, though. So, what's your pleasure?
OK, here's my progress report - I located the tab/sheet music for space oddity, lifted out of a guitar mag several years back. So that should be helpful.
I'm still waiting for suggestions for one more cover tune. I suggested Peace Frog a while back, just because it was chugging through my head at the time. I'd be up for anything, though. Maybe something a bit more organic, so we can use that mandolin, fiddle, etc., or we could save that for more of the original experimental stuff....
The Band
Auralmirage - electric blues guitar, ac guitar, djembe, digeredoo, bass guitar, random percussion, sitar.
Andyhix - ac. rhythm guitar, el. rhythm guitar, half-assed el. ld. guitar, harmonica, shaker eggs, triangle, ukulele, ld. vocals, and/or backing vocals (tenor-ish).
Up-fiddler - fiddle, el. bass, upright bass, mandolin
dave..... - Lead Guitar
dave.....'s wife - vocals
Clevodrummer - drums
It's not too late for someone else to jump in, too!
The process
What I typically do at home is record 4 tracks (say, a stereo drum track, bass, and guitar), then, I mix that down to 2 tracks on a seperate machine. And I have 2 more free tracks. Using this technique, I get basically 6 tracks, without ever losing stereo-ness.
In contrast, when you do the internal bounce (on one machine, all tracks that are bounced together, must be panned to the same place in the sound scene)
So, we could do something like that - the 6 track option, or, a combination of the two techniques. The real crux becomes whether or not we want the drums recorded in stereo or not. If we can be happy with mono drums, then that gives us a fair bit of more room. We could record 1 track of drums, 1 of bass, bounce them internally, and still have 3 tracks left to record on on the first tape. We could still do the stereo external bounce to a seperate machine to get 2 more tracks. Basically, then we would have 7 seperate instruments recorded, as opposed to only 5 (with drums in stereo and taking up 2 tracks).
So, all that being said, what does our esteemed drummer, Mr. Clevo think about it, both for Space Oddity and anything else we do. Can we get away with a single mono drum track, or would you feel short changed, that way? Regardless, how would you, Clevo, prefer to start? Someone could lay down a scratchtrack to a metronome, for you to follow, or you could simply play along with the CD at home, etc. I think for the other musicians sake, the sooner we can get the drums on tape, the better, though. So, what's your pleasure?
andyhix
:dank:
No updates, but I needed a place to make my 500th post. Whoopity freaking doo!! Party at andyhix's house. Yipppee!!!
dave.....
New member
cool
sounds cool so far...just as long as i have 2 tracks i can record on w/ my porta 02.. let me know what chords you are using ?? as far as a cover tune goes ?? how bout some slow blues ?? something we can realy drag out and let everyone shine on ?? stormy monday ???
sounds cool so far...just as long as i have 2 tracks i can record on w/ my porta 02.. let me know what chords you are using ?? as far as a cover tune goes ?? how bout some slow blues ?? something we can realy drag out and let everyone shine on ?? stormy monday ???
C
clevodrummer
Tascammer
clevo drummer
Drums in mono is good by me. If you can lay down a scratch track with a click, that would be cool. Or I can play along with the original cd. I know people like to get the drums down as soon as possible. When Im recording I just record a click, play guitar, bass, vocals, etc., and do the drums last.
If I even had a click and a bass line, as long as the bass is right on with the original tune, I can chart it out. Im one of those drummers that reads music, writes charts, and every single note is accounted for.
If you want I will start charting out Space Oddity right away so Im ready when the tape gets here. What was the other Doors song you were talking about?
You can send it to : Clevo Hopkins
P.O. Box 81056
Cleveland, Ohio 44181
sounds like a blast fellers!!
Drums in mono is good by me. If you can lay down a scratch track with a click, that would be cool. Or I can play along with the original cd. I know people like to get the drums down as soon as possible. When Im recording I just record a click, play guitar, bass, vocals, etc., and do the drums last.
If I even had a click and a bass line, as long as the bass is right on with the original tune, I can chart it out. Im one of those drummers that reads music, writes charts, and every single note is accounted for.
If you want I will start charting out Space Oddity right away so Im ready when the tape gets here. What was the other Doors song you were talking about?
You can send it to : Clevo Hopkins
P.O. Box 81056
Cleveland, Ohio 44181
sounds like a blast fellers!!
C
clevodrummer
Tascammer
clevodrummer
Even better.....If you can have a vocal track, even a scratch track that would help tremendously!!!
Thanks,Clevo
Even better.....If you can have a vocal track, even a scratch track that would help tremendously!!!
Thanks,Clevo
andyhix
:dank:
Cool!
Stormy Monday
Dave, I don't know that blues song, but I'm game for anything. Maybe you could track a scratch track to a click, and send it to Clevo to add the drums. Or, I suppose you could just a do a keeper rhythm guitar track (with or with out vocals) and send that off.
Space Oddity
I will in fact do a scratch track of space oddity in the next week or so and drop it in the mail along with a copy of the sheet music/tab. For that song, I'd really like to attempt the harmony vocals, but the lead vox, someone else can claim.
Peace Frog
It's a cool song, you can hear a short snippet of it on amazon. I just thought it might be a cool jam - has a cool bass line, and some decent guitar parts. I think we could omit the organ (unless someone wants to try that, which would be cool). Or we could just skip the whole song. That would be fine too.
Originals
As for originals, I think just about anything goes. I would definately like to have a chance to get some off the more unusual instruments included on one or more. I guess it's just a matter of someone starting. Clevo, if you want to lay down an original drum track or two, we can just see where it goes. Maybe one slower, and one more upbeat.
On a side note, Clevo, regarding your email about posting pics, you should be able to right click on any picture anywhere on teh web, go to properties, then highlight the address that is listed. right click on that, copy. Then here at the bbs, you can click the picture icon above the message box. and paste that address into the box that appears. Now, that being said, sometimes the picture icon isn't there, and I have no idea why. In that case, I guess posting a link to the site that stores all the pics is the way to go.
Stormy Monday
Dave, I don't know that blues song, but I'm game for anything. Maybe you could track a scratch track to a click, and send it to Clevo to add the drums. Or, I suppose you could just a do a keeper rhythm guitar track (with or with out vocals) and send that off.
Space Oddity
I will in fact do a scratch track of space oddity in the next week or so and drop it in the mail along with a copy of the sheet music/tab. For that song, I'd really like to attempt the harmony vocals, but the lead vox, someone else can claim.
Peace Frog
It's a cool song, you can hear a short snippet of it on amazon. I just thought it might be a cool jam - has a cool bass line, and some decent guitar parts. I think we could omit the organ (unless someone wants to try that, which would be cool). Or we could just skip the whole song. That would be fine too.
Originals
As for originals, I think just about anything goes. I would definately like to have a chance to get some off the more unusual instruments included on one or more. I guess it's just a matter of someone starting. Clevo, if you want to lay down an original drum track or two, we can just see where it goes. Maybe one slower, and one more upbeat.
On a side note, Clevo, regarding your email about posting pics, you should be able to right click on any picture anywhere on teh web, go to properties, then highlight the address that is listed. right click on that, copy. Then here at the bbs, you can click the picture icon above the message box. and paste that address into the box that appears. Now, that being said, sometimes the picture icon isn't there, and I have no idea why. In that case, I guess posting a link to the site that stores all the pics is the way to go.
dave.....
New member
cool
on the original stuff you might want to record the other instruments before me.. i dont want to [over do my part] actually you might want to do that on all the stuff .... sometimes i go to far ??? wow ...never thought id say that..
on the original stuff you might want to record the other instruments before me.. i dont want to [over do my part] actually you might want to do that on all the stuff .... sometimes i go to far ??? wow ...never thought id say that..
andyhix
:dank:
I hear ya. I think having drums first is probably easiest for everyone (except maybe the drummer). But eitherway, if a part gets too much, that's what the tape/off switch is for. You could still do a scratch track, though, upfront, that we would tape over eventually. just strum chords, and sing if there are words...
dave.....
New member
stormy monday
i could do a trac w/ chords and the wife singing and sent it to you w/ a chord chart..
i could do a trac w/ chords and the wife singing and sent it to you w/ a chord chart..
andyhix
:dank:
Just an update.
I recorded a scratch track of Space Oddity over the weekend. I put a click on one track and guitar and vocals on another. The only thing is it turned out I don't have the original song on CD anywhere to listen to, so I went strickly off the tab, and interpretted it as best I could. I think it's pretty close, though. Besides, being just a scratch track, it'll be replaced eventually anyway. Oh, and also, for Clevodrummer, be warned that mid way through the song, there is a 2/4 measure so the 1 beat on the click track (which is a different sound than the other beats) gets shifted to the 3 beat. No biggy, but that's why it'll sound odd.
I am going to try to do a scratch track tonight of Peace Frog, just to have something else to play with. I'll just strum chords to a click. There's a pretty cool guitar part, but it would take a lot of practice for me to get that down, and it would probably be easier once the drums are recorded, so I'll just stick with strummed chords for the scratch. So, I'll send copies of the tab for both songs, the 4 track tape, and a copy of Morrison Hotel (which contains Peace Frog) to ClevoDrummer, hopefully tomorrow.
Dave...if you get the chords recorded to a click for stormy monday, send those to Clevo, too, and we'll really put him to work!
Take it easy dudes.
I recorded a scratch track of Space Oddity over the weekend. I put a click on one track and guitar and vocals on another. The only thing is it turned out I don't have the original song on CD anywhere to listen to, so I went strickly off the tab, and interpretted it as best I could. I think it's pretty close, though. Besides, being just a scratch track, it'll be replaced eventually anyway. Oh, and also, for Clevodrummer, be warned that mid way through the song, there is a 2/4 measure so the 1 beat on the click track (which is a different sound than the other beats) gets shifted to the 3 beat. No biggy, but that's why it'll sound odd.
I am going to try to do a scratch track tonight of Peace Frog, just to have something else to play with. I'll just strum chords to a click. There's a pretty cool guitar part, but it would take a lot of practice for me to get that down, and it would probably be easier once the drums are recorded, so I'll just stick with strummed chords for the scratch. So, I'll send copies of the tab for both songs, the 4 track tape, and a copy of Morrison Hotel (which contains Peace Frog) to ClevoDrummer, hopefully tomorrow.
Dave...if you get the chords recorded to a click for stormy monday, send those to Clevo, too, and we'll really put him to work!
Take it easy dudes.
dave.....
New member
stormy monday
ok ill get on that as soon as i can....and ill have the wife do a vocal trac
ok ill get on that as soon as i can....and ill have the wife do a vocal trac
andyhix
:dank:
TAPE IS ON IT's WAY!
A crappy rough track of space oddity and peace frog and a CD, some tab, and a partridge in a pear tree will be in the mail tomorrow Clevo!
A crappy rough track of space oddity and peace frog and a CD, some tab, and a partridge in a pear tree will be in the mail tomorrow Clevo!
A Reel Person
It's Too Funky in Here!!!
Inquiring minds want to know!...
There's two 424mkIII's and one Porta02mkII between the three of you, correct? So, does that mean you're doing a collab/recording at 1x (Normal) speed and no-dbx? (That's the format of the Porta02mkII, with the 424mkIII's being backward compatible).
Also, that's 4-track cassette, so... 4 parts total, or perhaps more than 4 parts through use of track-bouncing??
I was just wondering.
I think that being only 4 tracks makes it more difficult and a more ambitious idea to try to pull off,... except for the very most stripped productions.
There's two 424mkIII's and one Porta02mkII between the three of you, correct? So, does that mean you're doing a collab/recording at 1x (Normal) speed and no-dbx? (That's the format of the Porta02mkII, with the 424mkIII's being backward compatible).
Also, that's 4-track cassette, so... 4 parts total, or perhaps more than 4 parts through use of track-bouncing??
I was just wondering.
I think that being only 4 tracks makes it more difficult and a more ambitious idea to try to pull off,... except for the very most stripped productions.
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andyhix
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Oh..... I hadn't considered that. I don't know anything about the porta02....damn. Of course I just did the scratch tracks at 2x and DBX on out of habit. It shouldn't be a big deal to redo them, though. I have a 424mkii, too, for the record, but that shouldn't matter. OK, well this just sets the schedule back again. fortunately, the package to Clevo was still in the mail out box here at work when I read this.
To your second point, I would think we would definately do some bouncing. My prefered 'bounce" technique is to fill up 4 tracks, and then "bounce" it to a stereo submix on a second machine. Then you can have 2 more tracks to fill up (6 total) without losing stereo imagery.
However, I might be inclined to first do an internal bass and drum bounce, then fill up the other 3 tracks, then do the external bounce. That would give 7 tracks total, and (I think) not too much tape noise.
Dave, did you happen to check out my other thread about my prob? Any thoughts?
To your second point, I would think we would definately do some bouncing. My prefered 'bounce" technique is to fill up 4 tracks, and then "bounce" it to a stereo submix on a second machine. Then you can have 2 more tracks to fill up (6 total) without losing stereo imagery.
However, I might be inclined to first do an internal bass and drum bounce, then fill up the other 3 tracks, then do the external bounce. That would give 7 tracks total, and (I think) not too much tape noise.
Dave, did you happen to check out my other thread about my prob? Any thoughts?