arcadeko
Illuminatius Overlordious
The ego on some people.
Worrying about someone stealing their songs and making money off it. ROFL!!!!
LMAO! This is probably the most constructive post in the thread...
LMAO! This is probably the most constructive post in the thread...
Chili
Site Moderator
Yup, and you can do a whole collection at one time. So, as mnay songs as you want to put into a collection, you register them once. There are certain caveats doing it this way, but still.... $35 to register as many songs as you want. I do mine yearly, so whatever I write during that year gets put into one collection.
And then there's this....
gecko zzed
Grumpy Mod
The ego on some people.
Worrying about someone stealing their songs and making money off it. ROFL!!!!
I've always wanted someone to rip off something of mine and make a squillion dollars out of it. Chasing them afterwards is the only chance I'd have of making money out of any of my stuff!
Armistice
Son of Yoda
I'm going to steal some of your anklepants horn riffs, reverse them, play them on guitar and then put them into my next song for the next OSC, which will be a big, world-wide hit, I'm sure... just don't tell gecko...
gecko zzed
Grumpy Mod
It's an automatic right that exists from the moment of the creation of a work. What registering a work does is acknowledge that right and provide a legal safeguard.
Safeguard in place . . . do your best!
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RAMI
Guest
I'm going to steal some of your anklepants horn riffs, reverse them, play them on guitar and then put them into my next song for the next OSC, which will be a big, world-wide hit, I'm sure... just don't tell gecko...
Screw all that. I'm designing a new line of clothes. Yup, you guessed it. "Anklepants". For men and women. All sizes available! Act now while supplies last!!!!
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Absolutepower
New member
There's some old british guy who swears he was the one that wrote dazed and confused and Page stole it from him while in the yardbirds. I think he could be telling the truth.
Bobbsy
Boring Old Git
This is where the previous post about the differences between the UK and USA is critical.
In the UK, something is copyright as soon as you say it is. The tricky part is to prove the date you made the copyright--and the "send yourself a registered letter and don't open it" part has been accepted time and time again in UK courts. I've even found most postal employees know exactly what you're doing when you send yourself an envelope and let you put a stamp over the seal on the letter which they then postmark for you.
I also know it's different in the USA where you have to go through an official registration process--I'll leave that bit to you.
But the key thing is the differences between the two countries.
Bob
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sjjohnston
New member
Actually, in the US something is copyrighted automatically even if you don't say it is, or even if you don't even know what copyright is. All you have to do is write it down, or record it, or do something similar (just thinking about it doesn't work, nor does just humming it to yourself).
The purpose of registration is exactly to prove the date. It also makes some additional remedies for infringement available, though if that were all you cared about, you could wait and register the copyright when you decided you needed the remedies. In some areas, there are alternate methods for proving the date (the Writers' Guild of America's two script registries, for example), and people rarely register with the Feds.
If you figure out a way to stamp / postmark your envelope in the US such that someone looking at it some time later would say, "Yeah, there's no way you could've done that after the fact," I can't see why it wouldn't hold up in court to prove date of authorship.
Can't you mail an unsealed envelope in the UK? Perhaps not, though if that's the case it would seem to require hiring postal employees to check every single envelope that hits the mails ... which I'd imagine would be a fairly obvious target for the current austerity-budgeteers.
The purpose of registration is exactly to prove the date. It also makes some additional remedies for infringement available, though if that were all you cared about, you could wait and register the copyright when you decided you needed the remedies. In some areas, there are alternate methods for proving the date (the Writers' Guild of America's two script registries, for example), and people rarely register with the Feds.
If you figure out a way to stamp / postmark your envelope in the US such that someone looking at it some time later would say, "Yeah, there's no way you could've done that after the fact," I can't see why it wouldn't hold up in court to prove date of authorship.
Can't you mail an unsealed envelope in the UK? Perhaps not, though if that's the case it would seem to require hiring postal employees to check every single envelope that hits the mails ... which I'd imagine would be a fairly obvious target for the current austerity-budgeteers.
Bobbsy
Boring Old Git
The trick in the UK is to not just mail the disk or whatever to yourself. To be conclusive proof, it has to be a registered letter. When registering it, if you tell the person at the counter what you're up to, they make a point of putting the registration sticker across the flap, effectively sealing it down with an official government sticker that includes information that can provide date, time and place of mailing. There's also a second signature when you receive the envelope back, also recorded. I don't think a simple "stick a stamp on it and drop it in the box" would do. However, registered post would be pretty conclusive post--probably as hard to tamper with as hacking the registration data base in the USA. Maybe harder considering the number of cyber crime stories on the news over the past few weeks!
Bob
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graceangela9
New member
Hello everyone, i'm a newbie with regard to publishing my own music. I know nothing of it. I've heard of people sending music to themselves in registered post but this sounds a little messy tbh.
I have just found about sites that register your own intelectual properties for an annual, and then submission fee etc.
Can any of you help me with regard to this, i'm a little paranoid about people knicking my lyrics and music. I want to be safe, and i want people to hear my music.
thanks everyone, eps for any help put forward
ps, any sites you trust could you put forward? thanks
Under law, copyright is the automatic right of the creator of the work. This means that copyright exists as soon as you have a tangible version of the music, such as sheet music and/or CDs.It is possible to register the copyright of your work.
Here are some registration process that need to be followed:
1. Make a copy of your song. These days there are several choices including placing it on a compact disc, on a USB drive, mini-disc, cassette tape, MP3, or LP. Another possibility is to record it to video format if that works for you, just as long as it's in a recorded format.Write out the sheet music to the song. If there are lyrics, include these as you see on sheet music.
2. Register online. This process is much faster - about 4.5 months compared to up to 15 months for the mail and paper trail process.
3. Register by mail.
4. Wait for the certificate of registration.
Bobbsy
Boring Old Git
I'm sure graceangela9's information is accurate, but it needs the additional statement that the methods she refers to apply specifically to the USA. The registration methods vary from country to country.
One other point I'd make is that, if you use some mechanical form of evidence, such as the video she mentions, think carefully about what formats will remain playable in the future. It's amazing how fast it becomes impossible to find playback for a format that was popular everywhere.
Bob
One other point I'd make is that, if you use some mechanical form of evidence, such as the video she mentions, think carefully about what formats will remain playable in the future. It's amazing how fast it becomes impossible to find playback for a format that was popular everywhere.
Bob
Armistice
Son of Yoda
Wouldn't be the one in your signature, perchance?
Bobbsy
Boring Old Git
I love the smell of thread necromancy and spam in the morning!
Chili
Site Moderator
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
Replying to himself, no doubt.
Where are the mods???
Sorry man, been gone for a while. I'm back.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
Whoa. Did you delete your last post here Henry? lol!
Chili
Site Moderator
guitaristic
prophet of Dave
I was a lost and wandering soul in the deep hell-hole known as academia the past few days, but like Jimmy, I too am back now!
Yeah those types of spammers are weird. I still can't decide if they are human or bot, so I prefer to call them cyborgs
Bobbsy
Boring Old Git
You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.