convincing bandmates a mediocre recording isnt ok

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This has come up a lot with my band lately. Apparently i'm too picky when it comes to recording. A lot of the time they get frustrated with doing things over and over again and since I think we should really shoot for the best recording possible I try to fix every little thing. Does anyone know how i should go about getting them to either want to make better recordings or getting them to understand that a recording with a lot of mistakes and little problems wont cut it even for a demo? I'm just really confused on how to work out this problem. I don't want to be a jerk but I really think we should take our time and get the best track possible.

any ideas?

Rudy
 
it's very possible you are being a jerk? sometimes the little imperfections are what makes a record sound good.

however i've also had similar situations where i've flipped out over recordings and stuff and refused to let them go to the label/pressing plant and it's caused some problems.

it all depends. are your problems like actual mistakes in the recording (ie you guys haven't rehearsed enough and after 20 takes your bassist can't play a certain part without fucking up), or do you just find the overall sound sucks ass and it's part of the recording studios fault?

in the case of the latter, it's really a matter of finding a good studio. i find that when you go to a studio and bring CDs of other bands who's sound you like, it really does nothing. i've had engineers tell me to bring in examples of drum sound i love, and they'll listen to it and nod their head and listen to me talk about how i want the drums to sound, but it definitely doesn't seem to influence what they're doing at all.

i would reccomend finding some records that have a good sound and then finding the studio it was recorded at and looking into that as an option. obviously if you're looking at records by pop artists and shit it'll be well out of your price range, but a lot of fairly famous engineers aren't overly expensive. (like $10,000 range and less).

matt bayles on the west coast does a lot of good work. he did stuff for botch, pretty girls make graves, isis, blood brothers, kill sadie, as well as some bigger bands like pearl jam. i love the space in his recordings. he's a really fun dude in generally.

on east coast, i'm a huge fan of god city studios. kurt ballou has put out stuff for his own band (converge) as well as cave in, and numerous other bands. he's also a great guy, and his rates can go extremely low.

the last couple of records i've been very impressed with was icarus by the forms, which was recording by albini and definitely one of his better works.. he cuts really good deals for bands that put out their own record, and it's not as hard as you'd think to record with him.

inner ear studios seems to be really coming together nicely, and a lot of the later releases from that studio impress me with their clarity. salad days, too.

i don't know where the latest majority rule record was recorded, but i fucking love it. everything is so thick and precise and heavy but in a good way.

i also love the recording for the neil perry/a days refrain split, which was apparently recorded in an apartment in boston or something. i'm not sure on that.
 
wow... great post ... lots of good stuff

i think the problem is more just one of us fucking up. a lot of these imperfections are kinda bad too... not like the kind that can make a recording sound unique and since we (I) record all of our stuff theres not much of a studio issue in there. Just like if the guitarist screws up on a solo that hees done maybe 4 takes of me and him want to get it right and the others say its ok and they want to move on. Maybe we need more breaks. I dunno... i guess they feel like sometimes we waste time when we spend so much of it laying tracks down but i guess they just dont understand it takes time. Usually I just tell them to go watch TV or something. Well thanks for the reply

Rudy
 
word rudy,

yeah, that sucks. i'm with you 100%. like to some extent i can understand getting pissed off if someone in the band is messing up over and over and it's really kind of their fault for not being better prepared and for not rehearsing more. but for the most part recordings take time, and if you're recording it and aren't being charged an hourly rate, i don't see any problems in taking your time.

my advice is to get really really really angry about it and try and bully them into shutting up about things taking so long. i've definitely been in bands where someone could make a monumental fuck-up on tape and the band would be like 'don't worry about it, it's just a demo' and i would nearly lose my shit altogether.

that or just bring your band into the studio one person at a time. :)
 
Rudy, fire the guy who keeps messing up, get a better musician who cares about the music. Sounds like you're stuck with some starstruck guys who want to be there, but don't care about the music. If they don't care about what they sound like on tape are they seriously concerned about what they sound like "live"? I've went through this and ended up replacing people. You say "but it's my cousin on bass", so what, I've fired my cousin, it hurts, but the music got a lot "better". If these guys are good musicians, sit down with them and have a talk, if that don't work fire them.
 
i gently disbanded my last band when i realised that despite being a crap singer i was a better instrumentalist than all of the others at their instruments! i record alone now and occassionally get a fresh pair of ears in.

thing is, you have to play different on tape to live. you have to get the playing right, not just the posing.

do you play their stuff? if so, record their parts and take it back to them. i did that and the guys realised they weren't up to it. turns out the drummer was a quality singer though so he guests on some of my solo stuff.

bottom line - bands take months recording stuff. no-one expects a good first take, it's a total bonus if that happens.

and of course if you're using a computer, get your wave editing hat on and cut and paste that bitch to perfection!!! (or at least get rid of the bum notes)
 
Withhold the beer and grass consumption until the session is done to your satisfaction.
 
all great advice.

thanks guys this will help me out a lot
 
I don't know if you use it, but get good at punch-in recording. Then (depending on the part itself) you can repair it piece by piece, rather than replace a solo with one bum note wiht a solo with a different bum note over and over. I occasionally have recorded solos almost a couple of notes at a time by using punch-ins.
 
rudalicious,

I'm a solo artist, I do everything myself, and sometimes I piss myself off trying to get the best recordings possible for my songs. :D

rudalicious said:
Just like if the guitarist screws up on a solo that hees done maybe 4 takes of me and him want to get it right and the others say its ok and they want to move on.

Just a suggestion in this senario... firstly, can you drummer record to a click track? That would make editing easy.. secondly, through down a live version of a couple of tracks (with the drummer listening to the click), when they are down, send everyone home! Listen to it yourself and work out which parts of it needs improvement. Over the next couple of days get each band member to come over and to re-record their track. Playing to a click, you should be able to edit easily, having only one band member there at a time won't have all the other members on your back, there will be less pressure on each member when they are recording their part... also another late thought, when you have them their by themselves, get the to 'practice' along with the music, just don't tell them the record button is pressed, that way they won't get 'red light nerves'.

Just a couple of thoughts,

Porter
 
Having the entire band sit around during overdubs is just asking for problems. Only have people there who need to be there like the guy who is tracking and maybe the songwriter if he gets final say on the arrangement.
 
that sounds like its what ill start doing... and yes i can play to a click track so that should help too.

thanks a bunch guys
 
rudalicious said:
This has come up a lot with my band lately. Apparently i'm too picky when it comes to recording. A lot of the time they get frustrated with doing things over and over again and since I think we should really shoot for the best recording possible I try to fix every little thing. Does anyone know how i should go about getting them to either want to make better recordings or getting them to understand that a recording with a lot of mistakes and little problems wont cut it even for a demo? I'm just really confused on how to work out this problem. I don't want to be a jerk but I really think we should take our time and get the best track possible.

any ideas?

Rudy


This is more of a human behavior question than an audio one. Why do bands where the members really can't stand one another always insist on doing things together?:mad:
 
trust! or lack there of

I've been in bands where i didnt trust all the members... and quite frankly you dont trust them having anything to do with your part of the song and its always good to point out the failures of band members you dont like...plus when you stop trusting band members everything is personal and not business
 
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