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notCardio
I walk the line
Was there a guy named Larry Norman? For some reason that's what's coming to mind. Keith Green doesn't ring a bell.
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notCardio
I walk the line
They should revamp
some Black Sabbath. I think that'd be funny.
Put some new lyrics to 'Sweet Leaf'.
I can just see all the head bangers if the front pews.
some Black Sabbath. I think that'd be funny.
Put some new lyrics to 'Sweet Leaf'.
I can just see all the head bangers if the front pews.
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soundchaser59
Reluctant Commander
cephus said:
This is seriously under-informed. (no offense) All you gotta do is spend a day or two listening to KLove and you will hear the same percentage of high quality composing and performing as you will hear on any classic rock stations. You have to be very careful, many of the churches and radio stations that call it "contemporary" are still very traditional and "syrupy" and "mushy" and "pithy" by my standards. I am extremely impressed with some of the compositions and productions being aired in gospel rock today. My current favorites of the moment are Paul Coleman, John Elefante, Go Fish, and Scott Krippayne.
I wont even address the blooper of using the words "well-written" and "rap" in the same sentance. (again, no offense) I admit to having great difficulty finding "the art" in any rap music, but that probably says more about me, not about rap. There is some very poignant and hopeful Gospel rap on the air today.
mshilarious said:
A good reason for us to use all this home recording technology to create our own and share it with the world. Personally, I would like to hear Stevie Ray Vaughn meets Jesus! They both play Strats!
And why are people telling me that instrumental music cant possibly be "Christian" if it has no words. I write a lot of instrumental pieces, and I tell listeners that I am just a tool, the music comes from God, I just play the tools so you can hear it. The reply is always, "How can it be from God if there aren't any words??" How come my church wont let anybody play an instrumental song on stage? Instrumentals are not gifts from God? ONly songs with words are? I think someone should do a Christian instrumental acid jazz fusion album. I think about how cool God is every time I listen to Dave Grusin and Return To Forever and Spyro Gyra and Weather Report and....
rory said:
It is very important to maintain the semantical distinction between "religion" and "God." Religion can NOT reveal to us or give us ultimate truths. Only God can do that. And, if I may, I would further stipulate that humans need to DISCOVER the ultimate truths in order to have a real foundation for living life. The truths are already out there, given to us but yet undiscovered. Some aspects of religion may guide us to the point of discovery, but religion is not the only way to make those discoveries, if one has a mind and a heart that is open to God beyond the encumberances of organized religion. Religion has its place, and helps people, but it is still fundamentally man made. God is not man made, and God does not have a religion or a denomination.
But He does have a Strat and an all tube Class A amp!
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notCardio
I walk the line
No class A
I think He uses a GOD XTLive.
Sorry, it had to be done.
Hey, since you seem to be knowledgeable (sp?) on this subject, a couple of years ago while flipping channels, I saw a Christian rock video. The guys were out on a beach, and playing in the water as the tide got higher and higher. It was a pretty good video, from what little I saw, but I remember really liking the tune. I thought, religious or not, I really like that song. Got any ideas about who it might have been? Standard 4 piece rock band, kinda alt rock-ish, with a bit of a hard rock touch. It wasn't POD or Jars of Clay because I know who they are.
I think He uses a GOD XTLive.
Sorry, it had to be done.
Hey, since you seem to be knowledgeable (sp?) on this subject, a couple of years ago while flipping channels, I saw a Christian rock video. The guys were out on a beach, and playing in the water as the tide got higher and higher. It was a pretty good video, from what little I saw, but I remember really liking the tune. I thought, religious or not, I really like that song. Got any ideas about who it might have been? Standard 4 piece rock band, kinda alt rock-ish, with a bit of a hard rock touch. It wasn't POD or Jars of Clay because I know who they are.
battleminnow
What's this button do?
GOD Xt, funny!notCardio said:I think He uses a GOD XTLive.
Sorry, it had to be done.
Hey, since you seem to be knowledgeable (sp?) on this subject, a couple of years ago while flipping channels, I saw a Christian rock video. The guys were out on a beach, and playing in the water as the tide got higher and higher. It was a pretty good video, from what little I saw, but I remember really liking the tune. I thought, religious or not, I really like that song. Got any ideas about who it might have been? Standard 4 piece rock band, kinda alt rock-ish, with a bit of a hard rock touch. It wasn't POD or Jars of Clay because I know who they are.
Probably Ocean Floor by Audio Adrenaline. They have been around a long time and their sound has really come of age; unfortunately, the lead singer is retiring, stress has really compromised his vocal health. I remember reading a Guitar Player article that listed him as one of the best rock singers of all time, just in the wrong genre to get the kind of exposure he would get outside of Christian music.
Pete
fraserhutch
Flypaper for freaks
The difference lies in what classifies music as Christian. You stated it yourself below, without lyrics, any music can produce any type of spritiuality. So, it's the Christian lyrics that define Christian music. The same music could have been inspired by a buddism or judaism, or allah, or zen. Or just a bad day at the office.
Also, many artists are deeply religious. Even though their must may be religiously inspired, I don't think i general you could classify the music that way.
Also, many artists are deeply religious. Even though their must may be religiously inspired, I don't think i general you could classify the music that way.
soundchaser59 said:
rory
New member
Timothy Lawler said:
Its interesting you mock me this way. The theories I outlined above are not from academia but from religious sources written for people looking to start their own emergent worship service. Another was written by a preacher about how secularity has failed America.
Why would I want to look inside academia to understand how people within the church use and justify using a particular medium for expression?
Whoever added the bit about expression is dead on. In your traditional church there is very little room for expression, so one of the aims of the contemporary and emergent church service is to allow and promote self expression during worship.
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
Personally I think doing what YOU want to do in church and what the Holy Spirit will lead you to do are miles apart...if not eternity.
tkingen
Djembes Rock
I feel the inspiration of God every time I watch Keith Richards doing his guitar solo in "Too Much Monkey Business" on Chuck Berry's 60th birthday DVD.
I'm not joking about this.
I'm not joking about this.
Codmate
New member
There is a lot of great religious music.
Qawwali, roots reggae, etc etc.
Christian rock and rap etc. has little identity of its own compared to the above however.
It's just using other people's ideas and replacing the lyrics as far as I can tell...
None of it can turn me from the almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster (pasta be upon him) anyway
Qawwali, roots reggae, etc etc.
Christian rock and rap etc. has little identity of its own compared to the above however.
It's just using other people's ideas and replacing the lyrics as far as I can tell...
None of it can turn me from the almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster (pasta be upon him) anyway
dafduc
New member
mshilarious said:
Not here. Same music at every mass, though obviously a slightly different flavor when the choir's there. We've got enough to divide us already without splitting up the parish on musical taste lines as well.
I think the walk-a-mile-in-my-sandals admonition applies here. If I only sing / praise God when I like the music, and clam up when I don't, then I'm doing nothing to encourage my brother in the next pew, who might love this style of music that I'm rejecting. And I'm in danger of caring more about (worshiping?) the music than the Body of Christ assembled in worship.
That being said, our parish is still split a bit - there's a no-music golfer's mass at 7am and a Spanish language mass at 7pm on Sundays. I'd prefer we integrated those as well, but only a regime change will make that happen.
Daf
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Ed Dixon
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To some extent church services are about reaching people. The hope is that some part if the service (music, message, fellowship, etc) will touch their heart and give them some new direction. You really don’t care which part does it, just so something has a chance to reach them.
However one very key aspect of reaching people is that they actually have to walk through the front door. If they don’t come, you have effectively zero chance of reaching them. To some extent contemporary worship style is about getting them there and getting that chance. The combination of casual dress, different building design, modern life-based messages, fellowship time, and contemporary music are players in that goal.
Ed
However one very key aspect of reaching people is that they actually have to walk through the front door. If they don’t come, you have effectively zero chance of reaching them. To some extent contemporary worship style is about getting them there and getting that chance. The combination of casual dress, different building design, modern life-based messages, fellowship time, and contemporary music are players in that goal.
Ed
mshilarious
Banned
dafduc said:
Most of the gringos can't even stomach a bilingual Mass, unfortunately. The length alone would kill them
cephus
Slow Children Playing
soundchaser59 said:This is seriously under-informed. (no offense)
I wont even address the blooper of using the words "well-written" and "rap" in the same sentance. (again, no offense).
I am just a tool.
He does have a Strat and an all tube Class A amp!
You are terribly confused, and perhaps that is why religion has such a significant place in your life. First of all, to in any way imply that Jesus is a gear head, or in any way reliant on His equipment is Blaspheme. It's liek "Jesus rides a Harley". Jesus' guitar plays a Global from the Sears catalog with 3 strings on it through a solid-state Alamo with a 5.5" speaker and still wails.
I am an impartial listener. I have music that I prefer to listen to, but I can recognize when something is well put together. One of the most crucial things about music is that they lyrics need to essentially pass without distracting you, and it is the biggest flaw in Christian music. It's like you being the tool of God (I thought one was supposed to humble himself before God). I think that a beautiful piece of music speaks to the power of God whether it gives Him props in the lyrics or not. That is, maybe I see Steve Via (who I don't really like) play something really amazing that it gives me a lump in my throat. that is more of a demonstration of God's work than some failed pop musician's last grasp at getting attention by pandering to the captive audience of sunday service.
Bottom line. I think that "People get Ready" and "Spirit in the Sky" and other collaterally religious songs are great examples of what praise music should be. These obscure Jesus-genre acts you mention do more harm than good because their stuff is not as well executed or well-presented as a rapper singing about his bitches and then thanking Jesus at the MTV awards.
mshilarious
Banned
cephus said:
No, not quite. Jesus was a carpenter, so He knows the value of a good tool. He has considerable woodworking skills, but He also values his time, which He knows is short.
Therefore, He would have assembled His own guitar from Carvin parts
PS Dodge Ram Van. Trust me on this one
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Ed Dixon
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cephus said:
Perhaps I misunderstand what you mean, but I believe most successful song writers would disagree. Most songs, especially Christian music, tell a story or have a message. The last thing most want is for the lyrics to pass without being noticed.
Ed
cephus
Slow Children Playing
I completely disagree. the lyrics need to blend with the music. the message should never undermine the way the lyrics fit with the music. This is working under the belief that popular music, though shitty, is more powerful than obscure one-offs because it reaches more people. There are great songs with great lyrics and great messages, but more often, people have no idea what a song is about and just like the way it sounds.
mshilarious
Banned
cephus said:
This is an interesting point. Many of the old-time hymns tend to have dreadfully contrived lyrics, either because they were (poorly) drafted to fit a well-known melody, or because they were ham-handedly translated, or because they were taken verbatim from relatively non-lyrical scriptures.
But the tunes are usually pretty good, there are well-orchestrated and harmonized parts written out, etc. And they are blissfully free of modulations to the II
dafduc
New member
mshilarious said:And they are blissfully free of modulations to the II
Let the church say AMEN!
Daffy (disagree about the old hymns though - some great lyrics there, especially Wesley and Watts)
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Ed Dixon
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cephus said:
For Christian music, the lyrics make the song. A common phrase you hear in Contemporary Christian music is there is no such thing as Christian music, only Christian lyrics. I believe most all involved there believe that. Traditional music folks may have a slightly different view, so I can’t speak for them at all.
I think a similar view exists for country music, which almost always tells a very clear story. Rock is another story, where the music itself and feel may be more of a factor.
Ed