Confused about recording and bouncing at the same time

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I have a Tascam 414 MKII. The manual says "During a bounce you can add live sources along with the pre-recorded tracks." I don't understand how this is done.

Let's say that I have recorded a drum machine in stereo to tracks 1 and 2 with the "record function" sliders set to 1 and 2. Now I want to record bass in mono, guitar in mono, and keyboards in stereo. Obviously I don't have enough tracks. How can I record all of the instruments while keeping the stereo image for the drums and keyboards?

Thanks for your help.
 
Ok, let's draw this out so I don't get lost...

Track 1 - drums
Track 2 - drums
Track 3 - empty
Track 4 - empty

We'll bounce tracks 1 and 2 to 3 and 4 while adding guitar and keys? Simple....

Arm tracks 3 & 4 (bus-l bus-r...not direct)
Set the input for channels 1 and 2 to tape and pan them hard L-R respectively and adjust levels/eq to taste.

Plug your guitar into channel 3, bass to channel 4, set the selectors to input, and leave the pan knobs centered.

Plug your keys into either 5-6, or 7-8 and set selector to input.

What we're doing is sending the everything to the L-R bus and the L-R bus to tracks 3 & 4.

You may want to do a few runs to tape so that you can EQ the guitar and bass at recording time. You won't be able to EQ guitar or bass seperately once the tracks are laid down to tracks 3 & 4.

Hope that wasn't too confusing!!
 
Thanks for your replies. I forgot to mention that I'm playing all the parts myself one at a time. I want to put the drums down first so it can be a metronome.
 
Ahh..... doing the Harvey way works great. However, be aware that multiple bounces can degrade the quality pretty noticeably by bounce #3. Then again, if you were just getting ideas to tape, I'd say go mono on the drums and keys..... so here's my idea...... do you have a sequencer or sequencer software? Does your keyboard have a sequencer or some sort of song memory? If so, have your drum machine and keys follow the sequencer. Then record those to tracks 1 & 2 at once. That leaves you 3 & 4 for bass and guitar.

No sequencer? Well, how about instead of bouncing tracks within the 424, bouncing them to something a little more quality. Like a Hi-Fi VCR? Or a Hi 8mm video camera? Digital video camera? 1/4" 2 track? Bounce to the other device adding keys. And then bounce back to the 424 adding something else. That leaves you tracks 3 & 4 for guitar and bass.
 
Tracks can be bounced to a Hi 8mm video camera? That sounds pretty cool.... Will that give the same quality as using a hi-fi VCR?
 
The Harvey Gersts page "http://www.itrstudio.com/4-track.html" reccomends the whole band playing first but only recording the drums. That's probably not possible if the drums are in the same room as the rest of the band and overhead condenser mics are being used is it? Wouldn't the condensers be picking up sounds from the rest of the band resulting in track bleeding?
 
timandjes said:
Tracks can be bounced to a Hi 8mm video camera? That sounds pretty cool.... Will that give the same quality as using a hi-fi VCR?
Click to expand...

Hi 8mm uses Hi-Fi audio. Hence the "Hi" in the format. I use Hi-fi all the time. There are a few artifacts, but they're more like analog and FM artifacts. (compression)
 
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