Click Track problems argh!!

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Well if it is a bleed problem, good luck :D. I've seen a lot of ideas for that kindof thing. From people using earbuds, then using a pair of earmuffs (the kind used at a shooting gallery) overtop, to isolate the sound to your ears only! If you don't have that, maybe try a bunch of scarves wrapped around your head lol.

That damn click track must be really blasting if it is escaping your AKG's and then being picked up by the 57's! How are your ears ? :eek:

Sorry I'm not more helpful, I really thought the metronome settings would help out. There has to be a better way to do that. I did some acoustic guitar recording a little while ago, using 2 Behringer ECM condensor mics, those pick up every sound for three miles. I was also using a click track, and had problems with bleed, but I was able to turn it down enough they weren't picking it up anymore. I was only using some crappy radioshack headphones too.
 
Hawking said:
Check this thread. I'm not sure what mixer you are using, but this whole thing sounds to me like it's a routing issue and has nothing at all to do with your sound card or software. Obviously the click track in N-Track is a different story.

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=84324
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I've had a look through that thread, the guy's got quite a different mixer, mine has many many more buttons! God knows any one of them might solve the problem!
 
badassmak said:
That damn click track must be really blasting if it is escaping your AKG's and then being picked up by the 57's! How are your ears ? :eek:

Sorry I'm not more helpful, I really thought the metronome settings would help out. There has to be a better way to do that. I did some acoustic guitar recording a little while ago, using 2 Behringer ECM condensor mics, those pick up every sound for three miles. I was also using a click track, and had problems with bleed, but I was able to turn it down enough they weren't picking it up anymore. I was only using some crappy radioshack headphones too.
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That's no worrys mate, thanks very much for the advice you've offered. The click track's not hurting my ears or anything! It's loud enough so I can still hear the beat above playing the drums, so I'm sure anyone who lays down drum tracks knows how loud that is.
 
I'm pretty certain this is some sort of routing problem. I have been learning a solo, and when I played along to it with the song on in my headphones, the music came through loud and clear on the mic but 2 inches away from my guitar amp speaker. There's something wrong with that, no?!
 
Still no luck huh?

I'm still convinced it's a routing issue with the mixer. Try this...

Take the output from the soud card and plug it into 2 channels of the mixing board (for left and right).

Route that to the control room (or headhpone) output.

Take the tape output from the mixer and plug it into the input of the soud card.

Route that to the control room (headphone) output AND the tape output.

Disable all of the other channels on the mixer except the one you are using for the click track. You can just bring the faders all the way down. Better yet, unplug any other sources. It shouldn't matter anyway, but make sure all of the aux sends are disabled also.

Play your click track in N-track. You should hear the click in the headphones (or monitors if you're using them).

Now setup a track in N-track to record on a different track. Press record and record for a few seconds.

After recording a few seconds, bring the volume down on the click track in N-track and play the track you just recorded. Listen in the headphones. You shouldn't hear anything, except maybe some hiss from the behringer ;).

Let me know how it goes...
 
Hawking said:
Still no luck huh?

I'm still convinced it's a routing issue with the mixer. Try this...

Take the output from the soud card and plug it into 2 channels of the mixing board (for left and right).

Route that to the control room (or headhpone) output.

Take the tape output from the mixer and plug it into the input of the soud card.

Route that to the control room (headphone) output AND the tape output.

Disable all of the other channels on the mixer except the one you are using for the click track. You can just bring the faders all the way down. Better yet, unplug any other sources. It shouldn't matter anyway, but make sure all of the aux sends are disabled also.

Play your click track in N-track. You should hear the click in the headphones (or monitors if you're using them).

Now setup a track in N-track to record on a different track. Press record and record for a few seconds.

After recording a few seconds, bring the volume down on the click track in N-track and play the track you just recorded. Listen in the headphones. You shouldn't hear anything, except maybe some hiss from the behringer ;).

Let me know how it goes...
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Unfortunately I'm not sure about all these different tape output/routing stuff, my mixer has lots of plugs in the back!

- A set of L/R sockets labelled CTRL ROOM
- A set of L/R sockets labelled 2TK IN
- 2 sets of L/R sockets labelled MAIN MIX (2 ins/2 outs)
- 4 sockets labelled GROUP OUT
- 4 sets of L/R sockets labelled STEREO INPUTS A-D
- 4 sets of L/R sockets labelled STEREO INPUTS
- 6 AUX OUTS

Then there's the 8 pre-amp channels with various XLR/line in/direct out/insert sockets.

That's all there is! Sorry to be a pain in the ass, but would you know what to put where? Thanks very much!
 
I had some trouble with track bleeding early on in N-track. Turned out to be the nature of the sound card.
I kinda think they were onto something with the headphones, though. Might wanna try a different pair before you play around too much.
 
OK, let's try again.


Take the output from the soud card and plug it into the mixing board
->The set of L/R sockets labelled 2TK IN

Route that to the control room (or headhpone) output.
->To the right of the Main level control is the 2TK RETURN, turn that up. Below that is a button (2TK TO CTRL ROOM). Push that one. Don't push the one that says 2TK TO MIX. Turn up the headphone volume (CTRL ROOM & PHONES)

Take the tape output from the mixer and plug it into the input of the soud card.
->Use one set of outputs labelled MAIN MIX

On whatever track you are recording, you're going to press the MAIN MIX button.

Make sure none of the other buttons are depressed (AUX sends, PFL, SOLO, etc...)
 
Hawking said:
OK, let's try again.


Take the output from the soud card and plug it into the mixing board
->The set of L/R sockets labelled 2TK IN

Route that to the control room (or headhpone) output.
->To the right of the Main level control is the 2TK RETURN, turn that up. Below that is a button (2TK TO CTRL ROOM). Push that one. Don't push the one that says 2TK TO MIX. Turn up the headphone volume (CTRL ROOM & PHONES)

Take the tape output from the mixer and plug it into the input of the soud card.
->Use one set of outputs labelled MAIN MIX

On whatever track you are recording, you're going to press the MAIN MIX button.

Make sure none of the other buttons are depressed (AUX sends, PFL, SOLO, etc...)
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You, my friend, are a complete legend. Not only does having the mixer/soundcard connected this way make the sound quality much much better, you have completely solved the problems I was having. I can have the click track blasting through far past the sound level I need with absolutely no problems. Thank you so very very very much!!! :D:D:D
 
badgerer said:
You, my friend, are a complete legend. Not only does having the mixer/soundcard connected this way make the sound quality much much better, you have completely solved the problems I was having. I can have the click track blasting through far past the sound level I need with absolutely no problems. Thank you so very very very much!!! :D:D:D
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You, my freind are very very welcome. I think I shall put together a visual guide regarding this topic. There seems to be many of these mixer/sound card combinations that can sometimes be very confusing to someone who has little or no experience with signal routing.
 
Hawking said:
You, my freind are very very welcome. I think I shall put together a visual guide regarding this topic. There seems to be many of these mixer/sound card combinations that can sometimes be very confusing to someone who has little or no experience with signal routing.
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That might be wise...At another forum I was told to "get some fucking headphones that don't bleed so much", so I guess it's people like that who are leaving people like me puzzled with no helpful advice to go on. Thanks again! :D
 
OK, heres my ghetto solution. Make sure that the noise is in fact one being picked up by the microphone and not coming from somewhere else. If so this is what i do. Use headphones with good quality cans, and then wear a stocking cap over them. The stocking cap pressed the headphones tight against your ears doing two things; making the sound louder in your ear so you can turn the click down, and making the sound outside quieter so hopefully it wont be picked up. hope that helps someone
 
The stocking cap thing sounds like a good idea. In this case however, headphone bleed wasn't the problem, it was a signal routing issue.
 
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