Can't Get Guitar to sound right when recording

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One guitar. One mic. Advanced techniques get applied later IF, and only IF, it will make an improvement. You seem to have one area where improvement is needed, and its not technical. You need to be able to listen to a sound and compare it with another. Too bassy? Too trebbly? A really good thing to do is visit a busy guitar shop where people grab a guitar off the hangers, plug them in and play them through whatever amp is available, with no pedals. See if anyone even fiddles with the amp settings, or uses the one everybody uses to compare tone.

The record process is really simple and does not involve aiming for ANY dB value. Plug it in, twang it the loudest you will play, and set the input gain so it does not distort at that loudest level. Then press record and play the song. The level will be quite a bit lower than maximum, but with modern gear and digits, adding gain later isnt a problem.

You mentioned you used two mics and didn't notice one was reversed. Reversed or not reversed is a question for your ears. I have never needed two mics on a guitar cab, and am not a fan of two on a snare drum to be honest. I certainly understand why some people do it, but I am not one of them.

Red lights and distortion are bad. Hiss from too low a gain setting are bad, but it leaves you a huge area in the middle where gain simply means tweaking a knob with no ill effects.

As a side comment on amp eq, i am trying to sort out my store. Bursting at the seams and a real mess. I found 4 different amps. Two combos, and two heads and cabs. All just put away after a session or live event. Totally random tone control settings. Each one must have sounded ok when used. No idea what was plugged into them.

Well, the recordings do reflect the amp settings. Treble 10, mid similar, bass lower. Sounds exactly like that. It sounds like early punk rock tone just wants somebody yelling over the top. It is not remotely similar to the band who created that song.

In the first clip, the tuning is very, very obvious. The concern is that you cannot hear it. We know your playing is still a work in progress, but all the suggestions we make are because your current state of aural acuity is quite low. You are reading about techniques that your ears cannot evaluate. We dont mind listening to your stuff, but you need to also be listening yourself. Go back through the comments in this topic, and ask yourself if you can hear what we comment on?

You are on a train journey, avidly looking at trip advisor telling you about the wonderful places on the route, but you've not even noticed you got on the wrong train.

You need to train your ears to appreciate tone and tuning. You need to compare your sound with professional recordings. Until you can do this, do not even get a microphone out!
Thanks! I have to say that you wrote this very well! Over the last few days I have been doing what you have said and learn how to do it and done just that. And I think I'm starting to listen a bit more to the speakers as you said to trebbley or bassy or needs more and adjusting according to so. Thanks for your help I will post a update at some point.
 
I just want to encourage you to remember that so much people say on the net MUST be balanced against what you decide for yourself.

On her, for example - some people ALWAYS record a certain thing one way. It's how it works best for them. Ohters do totally different things. The only real vital thing is the end result.

I have always recorded grand pianos with two mics. I've told everyone it's the best and only proper way. I had a friend who has one nice mic ask if he could record a piano in mono, with one mic and if he put nice reverb on it, what would the difference be. My head says stereo would be better, but as I have never actually done the comparison - as soon as I have time, I am going to try it and hear the difference. It's against a rule I made up for myself.

Your guitar success gets a bit overshadowed by snippets of other people's advice. Things that work for them. I am one of those people who never change strings unless they break. All of my guitars are duller than real guitarists. So perhaps my amp settings have a bit more top to counteract it?? Possible, I suppose? all I can say is that when I plug a guitar into any amp, I twang it and instantly know what is missing, or over the top, and it takes maybe 30 seconds to fix it. I never pay attention to the knob settings - I have sort of a memory preset in my head. Get my preferred sound with nothing plugged in messing it up - then I can add gizmos if I wish.
 
Hey Guys,

I just wanted to quickly come back to this topic not because I need more help in this topic in particularly but because I wanted to quickly update everyone and say thanks for your help a few months back. I did what was suggested and start basic and add stuff in slowly especially when your starting out recording. And I think I'm getting much better results now, Something that might be worth listening to the whole thing and not 5 seconds and it becomes unbearable lol.

Thanks again.
 
Hey Guys,

I just wanted to quickly come back to this topic not because I need more help in this topic in particularly but because I wanted to quickly update everyone and say thanks for your help a few months back. I did what was suggested and start basic and add stuff in slowly especially when your starting out recording. And I think I'm getting much better results now, Something that might be worth listening to the whole thing and not 5 seconds and it becomes unbearable lol.

Thanks again.
WELL MATEY! We'll be the judge of that!! Not me of course, mutton. But seriously, post a clip.

Dave.
 
The other problem of course is no matter how good you get at it, you're never going to be completely happy with your guitar sounds. :ROFLMAO: The sounds I'm getting these days would have blown me away even as recently as a few years ago, and I'm STILL not totally happy!
 
The other problem of course is no matter how good you get at it, you're never going to be completely happy with your guitar sounds. :ROFLMAO: The sounds I'm getting these days would have blown me away even as recently as a few years ago, and I'm STILL not totally happy!
Yeah* I am not REMOTELY any kind of guitar payer (but I can do yer wiring and tune one for you!) but in over ten years on audio forums, this question..."how do I get a good e guitar sound?" has been around for ever. I have gleaned a few "truths" in that time, many of which have been covered already but, for WIITW here's MY take.

Bit of a swerve but "they say" to make a great recording of ACOUSTIC guitar, start with a great guitar and a great player!
For electrics I would interpret that as needing a good amplifier, a well setup instrument and decent chops....many believe "it's in the hands".
The above implies using a microphone on a cab. I am sure you CAN get great sounds "in the box" but getting a good tone in the room seems to be a shortcut to good results?

Don't run too loud.

Don't run too distorted.

Know the sound you want and if asking on a forum give examples. Very often the guy or gal you are trying to emulate has a special rig which you are ignorant about? Someone might eventually say, "Well Old ****face had a battery of XYZs and 18 100W Marshall rigs setup round a 28 room castle in Sctlnd!

Whatever the guitar sound you get in isolation that you are "quite" happy with is likely to disappoint when put in a mix (mainly will be too distorted)

Bottom line? Sounds easy, from everything I have read, it ain't!

*30 or so years ago son had me soldering and swapping components in a Dommy clone (Mersey Super 15) at all hours searching for an "Angus Young" tone. Two weeks later he wanted Brian May!

Dave.
 
Yeah* I am not REMOTELY any kind of guitar payer (but I can do yer wiring and tune one for you!) but in over ten years on audio forums, this question..."how do I get a good e guitar sound?" has been around for ever. I have gleaned a few "truths" in that time, many of which have been covered already but, for WIITW here's MY take.

Bit of a swerve but "they say" to make a great recording of ACOUSTIC guitar, start with a great guitar and a great player!
For electrics I would interpret that as needing a good amplifier, a well setup instrument and decent chops....many believe "it's in the hands".
The above implies using a microphone on a cab. I am sure you CAN get great sounds "in the box" but getting a good tone in the room seems to be a shortcut to good results?

Don't run too loud.

Don't run too distorted.

Know the sound you want and if asking on a forum give examples. Very often the guy or gal you are trying to emulate has a special rig which you are ignorant about? Someone might eventually say, "Well Old ****face had a battery of XYZs and 18 100W Marshall rigs setup round a 28 room castle in Sctlnd!

Whatever the guitar sound you get in isolation that you are "quite" happy with is likely to disappoint when put in a mix (mainly will be too distorted)

Bottom line? Sounds easy, from everything I have read, it ain't!

*30 or so years ago son had me soldering and swapping components in a Dommy clone (Mersey Super 15) at all hours searching for an "Angus Young" tone. Two weeks later he wanted Brian May!

Dave.
Oh don't worry, I've been doing this a VERY long time, lol. I have a good sense of what I'm after and how to get it, and I'm probably 98-99% there, and from 90% 5-10 years ago that's a huge improvement. That last percentage point is where the madness lies though. :lol:
 
The other problem of course is no matter how good you get at it, you're never going to be completely happy with your guitar sounds. :ROFLMAO: The sounds I'm getting these days would have blown me away even as recently as a few years ago, and I'm STILL not totally happy!
Yeah that is the issue, Once you start recording guitar you just can't get your guitar to sound right so you keep messing around with it lol.
 
Yeah that is the issue, Once you start recording guitar you just can't get your guitar to sound right so you keep messing around with it lol.
One can get too carried away. You end up putting a magnifying glass on just your guitar sound.
The important thing is how it fits and sounds in the mix.

I’ve heard many isolated guitar tones that on their own sound like garbage, but in the mix sound great.
 
I'm notsure if we're talking about the same things, haha. I'm VERY happy with my current recorded sounds, and I'm hearing clear improvements the better I get at this and the longer I do it... but that dpesn't mean I don't want to keep working on making them even better, you know? :lol:

Recent clean tone:


Recent distorted tone:


...and these were just quick scratch reamped tracks that I just quickly mic'd up the amp and didn't really do much more to them (some reverb, probably too much, on the clean; some delay on the distorted). This isn't analysis paralysis or losing sight of the big picture, this is just trusting the process to keep working. Again, I'm VERY happy with even these clips, I just think I can do better than this with some more work.
 
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Getting a good guitar sound begins with a good guitar. Acoustics are all over the place in terms of sound and how they are to record. Initially keep things as simple as possible. One guitar and one mic with no effects or EQ. Start here. Then add to it once you get the basic guitar sound and level. Try different mic set ups without changing anything else. Once you zero in on that sound, then start tweaking it.

I am an acoustic guitar builder for over 50 years and I freely admit to being an acoustic tone snob. Many modern acoustic guitars are difficult to record because they sound like crap, with thin bright tone and very little headroom and if you dig in the sound turns to mush. Taylor’s are one of the worst offenders here, but so are most new factory acoustic guitars. If you listen to the best acoustic recordings at least 80% of the sound is the vintage Martin or Gibson that you are hearing. The other 20% is the mic and signal chain.

Listen to the Johnny Cash records he made with Rick Rubin shortly before he passed and pay close attention to the acoustic guitar sound which is otherworldly. Listen to Rod Stewart’s Every Picture Tells a Story, or Blind Faith and pay attention to the acoustic guitar sounds. Or listen to any Norman Blake record. These acoustics are head and shoulders above any new acoustic for how they sound in a recording.

Once you get a world class acoustic guitar then your recorded sound will never be bad. Then almost any decent mic whether it a dynamic, condenser, or ribbon. One of my favorite mic setups is using a AKG 414 with a Royer R122 ribbon mic. I either aim them both at the neck joint or put one there and the other on the lower bout. Very little EQ and a small amount of compression.
 
Getting a good guitar sound begins with a good guitar. Acoustics are all over the place in terms of sound and how they are to record. Initially keep things as simple as possible. One guitar and one mic with no effects or EQ. Start here. Then add to it once you get the basic guitar sound and level. Try different mic set ups without changing anything else. Once you zero in on that sound, then start tweaking it.

I am an acoustic guitar builder for over 50 years and I freely admit to being an acoustic tone snob. Many modern acoustic guitars are difficult to record because they sound like crap, with thin bright tone and very little headroom and if you dig in the sound turns to mush. Taylor’s are one of the worst offenders here, but so are most new factory acoustic guitars. If you listen to the best acoustic recordings at least 80% of the sound is the vintage Martin or Gibson that you are hearing. The other 20% is the mic and signal chain.

Listen to the Johnny Cash records he made with Rick Rubin shortly before he passed and pay close attention to the acoustic guitar sound which is otherworldly. Listen to Rod Stewart’s Every Picture Tells a Story, or Blind Faith and pay attention to the acoustic guitar sounds. Or listen to any Norman Blake record. These acoustics are head and shoulders above any new acoustic for how they sound in a recording.

Once you get a world class acoustic guitar then your recorded sound will never be bad. Then almost any decent mic whether it a dynamic, condenser, or ribbon. One of my favorite mic setups is using a AKG 414 with a Royer R122 ribbon mic. I either aim them both at the neck joint or put one there and the other on the lower bout. Very little EQ and a small amount of compression.


I’ve always had better luck recording with a smaller body acoustic.
 
I'm notsure if we're talking about the same things, haha. I'm VERY happy with my current recorded sounds, and I'm hearing clear improvements the better I get at this and the longer I do it... but that dpesn't mean I don't want to keep working on making them even better, you know? :lol:

Recent clean tone:


Recent distorted tone:


...and these were just quick scratch reamped tracks that I just quickly mic'd up the amp and didn't really do much more to them (some reverb, probably too much, on the clean; some delay on the distorted). This isn't analysis paralysis or losing sight of the big picture, this is just trusting the process to keep working. Again, I'm VERY happy with even these clips, I just think I can do better than this with some more work.

Yeah makes sense those videos are awesome they sound really good, I keep finding that I find something that makes it sound better so that's why I disappeared for so long I get a tone that doesn't sound bad then I make a adjustment and sounds better.
 
I’ve always had better luck recording with a smaller body acoustic.
In my guitar remanufacturing business a lot of the guitars we rebuild end up in big studios and on big records because of how they record. The most popular models are the OOO size and also some of the 1930’s 00 or LOO size. In my studio I have 4 acoustic guitars that I usually record with. These are all harmony Baxendale conversions that have been taken apart and rebuilt with pre-war Martin style bracing. One is a 1/2 size guitar tuned up a fourth. The others are all OOO size. These all record much better than any new Martin, Gibson, Taylor, Breedlove, etc… and compare to vintage Martins and Gibson’s that sell for 5 figures. These sell for an average of around $1500-1700.
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Yeah makes sense those videos are awesome they sound really good, I keep finding that I find something that makes it sound better so that's why I disappeared for so long I get a tone that doesn't sound bad then I make a adjustment and sounds better.
It's just an iterative process - try stuff, pay attention to what works and what doesn't, read about what works for others who are after a similar sound (it won't always work for you, but it's worth a shot) and keep experimenting.I've done this since... man, very late 90s/early 2000s, recording guitars in my college dorm room first by just laying my laptop next to the amp and using its built in mic and then "upgrading" to one of those old computer mics that looked like a whammy bar, and I think maybe it helps to have started with REALLY shitty gear, because every incrmental improvement I've been able to make has been that much more exciting to me. 🤣
 
I would use a 57 right up on one speaker (typically I would remove the grill if possible to get on the speaker) about an inch away from the outer edge. Then maybe a MD-421 or other brighter SDD on the other speaker close to the center. The first will be a darker sound, the second brighter. I would tent a moving blanket around the cab to knock out HF room reflections, and then mix and gain stage these with a mixer before hitting the DAW.
 
The speakers matter a lot. It's where the sound comes out.
 
Hey guys, Here is a clip I recorded today of heart shaped box by nirvana

Using the following gear

fender mustang
fender twin reverb
AT2035 MIC
Reaper
Compressor 1176
Trebble > 5
Bass > 5-6
Mid > 10
Reverb > 0


I don't think its perfect yet, And the playing is a bit sloppy still. But I think as others said that you have to stop somewhere and continue afterwards or it will be using a magnifying glass or a fine tooth comb on it and you'll never be happy with how it sounds. Even relistening to it I'm think I should have tried to re-record it and see if I can get it better lol
 

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Hey guys, Here is a clip I recorded today of heart shaped box by nirvana
Not really been into Nirvana. Probably too old.
Yeah, the playing is a bit sloppy. There's notes that appear to get bent off tune.
There is a clicking distortion that doesn't really please me.
Easy to criticise someone else, but I haven't posted anything for some time.
 
Hey guys, Here is a clip I recorded today of heart shaped box by nirvana

Using the following gear

fender mustang
fender twin reverb
AT2035 MIC
Reaper
Compressor 1176
Trebble > 5
Bass > 5-6
Mid > 10
Reverb > 0


I don't think its perfect yet, And the playing is a bit sloppy still. But I think as others said that you have to stop somewhere and continue afterwards or it will be using a magnifying glass or a fine tooth comb on it and you'll never be happy with how it sounds. Even relistening to it I'm think I should have tried to re-record it and see if I can get it better lol
The playing is a bit rough, but your tone is better than some previous clips you put up.
So, there is improvement!
 
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