Cake Walk & Aardvark Setup

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Just got a new system and need some help understanding and making it work. I bought the Aardvark 24/96 that was bundled with Cake Walk Pro 9 and a set of Event 20/20 monitors. I upgraded my computer with a new mother board that came with a built in sound card. I installed the Aardvark and monitors got it to record vocals and miced guitar and play back through the Events just fine. My question or problem is this. I can't hear any of the samples that came with Cake Walk such as the tutorial music or midi clips through the Aardvrk and Events. However I can get them to play through the fixed sound card and my shitty computer monitors.
This is not the way I envisioned my new toy.
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No Synth on the Aark...

I have a similair setup. There's no synth on the card, so you have two choices in terms of hearing it.

1. Patch the output of the other sound card (the one that is plugged into your computer speakers) into the inputs of the Aark.

2. (Recommended) Record the soundcard output into a track in Cake. Once its recorded (and becomes audio), the Aark can play it back.

Think of the synth on the other card as an instrument, like your guitar. It needs to input its sound into the Aark, or exist as a sound file.
 
Sounds good. Now because I am quite confused on how to do the recommeded opiton can you explain in more detail.
 
Its a cakewalk thing...

I'll try, but I don't have cake in front of me so I may be a little off.

In each track within cakewalk, there are a number of properties, including "source". When you record from the Aark, you select one (or two if stereo) of the ports on the front of the unit as the source. In that same list there should be a "wave out" or "sound out" or "synth out" that lets you record this output.

Having selected the correct source, arm it for recording, press play and voila!

One question though. Why would you want to record the output of the crappy integrated sound card? Even when played on the Aark through the monitors, its still going to have that "nintendo" feeling.

One more thing, I found the Cakewalk Power Book, to be very helpful in terms of getting this app under control.
 
Its a cakewalk thing...

I'll try, but I don't have cake in front of me so I may be a little off.

In each track within cakewalk, there are a number of properties, including "source". When you record from the Aark, you select one (or two if stereo) of the ports on the front of the unit as the source. In that same list there should be a "wave out" or "sound out" or "synth out" that lets you record this output.

Having selected the correct source, arm it for recording, press play and voila!

One question though. Why would you want to record the output of the crappy integrated sound card? Even when played on the Aark through the monitors, its still going to have that "nintendo" feeling.

One more thing, I found the Cakewalk Power Book, to be very helpful in terms of getting this app under control.
 
Are you sure...

I think you guys might be getting your wires crossed.

Could you explain the problem again?

1) After installed the Aark are you saying that the audio in cakewalk doesn't play through it?

2) Or are you saying the sample audio tunes from cakewalk won't play out it? (the .bun files)

3) Or are you saying the GM MIDI instruments generated by your old sound card aren't playing out of it? (this is what I think schwa is talking about...)

Let me ask you this too:

When you record into the Aark, into cakewalk. The audio shows up and is fine (you can play it back as desired?

If you Open a cakewalk demo bundle (one of the .bun files) that has audio data, and play it - does it come out the monitors as desired?

Just need some more info.

-L
 
I made some assumptions....

But don't think I got the wires crossed. I get similair behavior from my setup.

Most of the sample files contain just midi, and default to the first synth it sees. The only sample file that has Audio that I can recall is called "audio example" or something like that. Doc mentioned that audio recorded through the Aark behaves as expected.

Until I did some configuration work, the Aark was not the default device for ant of this, since the other card was there first.

You're right though, I was assuming scenario 3 was the problem at hand.
 
"Wires Crossed"...bad choice of words.

Perhaps I misunderstood, I agree with what you said about the Aark not having onboard synthesis, but I am confused as to the "tutorial music or midi clips" not playing. That's why I asked for more info. The tutorial /audio/ should play fine even if the midi doesn't. I had a feeling that maybe doc had not set the audio output on the old audio tracks to be the new Aark instead of his old integrated audio card. That's all, sorry for my confusion.

;)

-L
 
So the question goes to Doc. Where are we with this issue?

I have this exact same setup and can address the midi question likely. MIDI needs some 'device' to play through whether it be a KB or a soundfont. What do you have set up for that side of the question?

As for the audio side of the question, if the sound card is the selected output then it should play the data, especially if recorded audio plays back fine. So as schwa stated, look at the track info for the audio that works, and match that for the data that does not.....

Or do a test, load up the audio sample that won't play, set up that track as you would a new one for record (like the one that worked for you) and record right on that sample track. See if that yields any info. IF your stuff plays and the other sample doesn't, from the same track, then it's the sample, not your config.

Give it a go and let us know. (ooh I'm such the poet eh?)
 
I'll give it a go tonight. However you are write, I can record just fine and play back that recording but the tutorial and audio bun will not play through. The needle moves but no sound. Old sound card can hear everything. I 'll try some of these suggestions tonight.
You guys are great!!!!!!
 
OK heres the deal.
I tried like you said Sultan to record a track on one of the samples and it in fact recorded. Still none of the sample would play but my vocal did. Then I tried the drums samples that came on Cake which would be nice to use to make loops but I could not get any of them to play either. Man I,m getting confused and disgusted with this. By the way when I finally do get this thing working does any one know where I can down load any good blues loops for drums and bass for free??
 
We will need t go over this is detail. Can you make our chat on Sunday?
 
Port assignment...try this:

Ok so I'm starting to think you've got /two/ wee problems here; your new sound card doesn't have synthesis, and you might have the output ports defaulting to your old soundcard.

First: Load up a .bun file with midi /and/ some audio tracks. I would suggest "Don't Matter Audio and Midi Demo.bun" which comes with Pro Audio 9 (and others). Load that puppy up.

* Tracks 2-7 are audio tracks. No midi data.

* Tracsk 8 and 9 are midi data. Ignore these for now.

* Double Click in the "Port" column on any audio track (2-7). You should get a window up called "Track Properties"

* In that window, pull down the "Port" select menu and make sure that the Aark's Output is selected.../NOT/ your old sound card. (I don't use an Aark system, so I'm not sure what it would be called in the select box...)

* Try playing again and see if that track plays now. It should.

I have a feeling that your audio is set up to default to your old sound chip/card. So when you explicitly record new audio with the Aark, it records and plays back fine. But "old" audio is trying to play out your soundcard...which isn't being used. So you hear nothing. try changing each track of audio and Make sure it's set to the Aark.

Try not to get too frustrated. This will work, but setup can be a pain.

As for midi...Schwa's original suggestions are still true.

Everyone else please correct me if I mispoke, or if it sound like I'm smoking crack, but I think it's just an audio port config problem.

-L
 
When's the chat?

Point me to the instructions for it, I'll show up...you guys are great.

What time (and time zone) is it?

-L
 
So let me get this right Doc. You recorded your vocal to the same track that the sample was loaded into right? And you then hit the record button. It recorded your vocal through the Aark card, and played it back. But, the audio data that was already on the same track did not play? Now, I know that is what I wanted to know but, I gotta ask, does that make sense to you?

Do this fer me..... record this track again. your vocal on a track that has audio data that won't play out the Aark card but will play yer vocal. Save it as a .bun file. It should not be that big... Email it to me or contact me for another way of getting it to me...... I just have to see this fer meself...hehehe

And since I have the same setup I may be able to get to the root of this fer ya.... Can you make the chat on Sunday?

For the rest of ya. the chat is at Collaboration Central click the chat link and ask away. Hope to see you all there.
 
Will be there and thanks again Uncle, Schwa, DS, and anyone else I may have missed.
DS Iwill record something on one of the samples tonight and email it to ya.
CHOW For Now. (look DS I'm a poet and don't know it to)
 
kewl as a fool on a stool drinkin drewl by the pool

I'll be waiting doc, as time goes by tickity toc, just hope I don't get writers block...........

gotta..............................stop............................typing...............
 
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