C1 gets glowing review in Mix Mag

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Its good what the C1 did to the recording industry. It provided a dang good mic at a list of only $300.

The first post I saw about the C1 was by that dude, teller on musicplayer, that said the c1 was better than a TLM103 on vox.
That right there left a bad taste in my mouth, especially since its now coming out that this is not exactly the case.

If I buy a c1 based on a review that says its better than a tlm103, then it better be better, since I could have saved money and bought a 103. If, however, I bought one as being the best vocal mic for $300 or a dang good guitar mic at any price, then I would be happy because that is what I set out to buy.

And to say a good thing about the c1: it sounds very much like the rode ntk, so if anyone is going for the rode ntk sound, you might as well save some money and get a c1.
 
Good work in Sweden Alan. Estrad Musik (our MAJOR music-store) will start selling your mics, and I'm surely giving it a shot. I'm really sorry I missed the LLB.. damn.. I'd have bought you a beer.
 
Yeah, I missed it too. Those guys from Midwest were supposed to send me a ticket, but I suppose they had lots of other things on their minds last week. Unfortunately I couldn't go on the day it was open for the public. It would have been nice to do the soon-to-be legendary A/B with a U87ai, and also to see you IRL Alan!

Good to hear Estrad are taking in those mics. I wonder what the price will be. 3500 SEK would be a fair guess I suppose (about 350 dollars). Have you heard anything about that, Meshuggah?

/Henrik
 
alanhyatt said:

What do you want me to say...Yeah, the reviews are all wrong man...I paid him $500.00 to write it so it would look like the mics are good. The reviews are the reviews, so readers either like them or not, or believe them or not.

My point is I don't care what the review says, or what the people who read them think.
Right........ If they said something bad about your mic, you most likely would stop purchasing ads with them. So technically you are paying them to say good things about your mics.
 
mixmkr said:
Seriously...how people get a *rep* by a cyber space message board and carry any[or a lot of] credibility is amazing now...isn't it?
Not surprising at all... (and I'm talking generalities here, not implying this means me or anyone else) - if someone consistently gives good info whether it's by phone, radio, chat rooms, message boards, whatever... then they will gain a reputation for giving good information! What's so strange about that???
 
IMO, far beyond whatever personal reputation Allan has gained by posting here the biggest gain I have seen is that he has shown his company(s) to have amazing service and support. Add to that exceptionally good products (I won't say as good as, or better than...) and prices attainable by homerec'ers, I'd say he's doing quite well, and I intend to be somewhat brand loyal in the future for those very reasons.

Queue

-Continues to be happy with his C1 :)
 
Bruce and Alan, sometimes it seems that "no good deed goes
UNPUNISHED"! (Bruce's good advice and Alan's fine mikes...)
 
Originally posted by mixmkr Seriously...how people get a *rep* by a cyber space message board and carry any [or a lot of] credibility is amazing now...isn't it?
Well, even though this remark wasn't directly aimed at me, I feel I fall into that category, since I don't write reviews for magazines, but I do test "stuff" from time to time and post my findings on "cyber space message boards" like rec.audio.pro, alt.music.4-track, recording.org, and of course, here on homerecording.

My tests on the Studio Projects C1 were posted in the "Under The Hood" thread which generated over 8000 views, so a lot of people were obviously interested in what was going on, and it probably helped Alan sell a few mics in the process. Was it a flettering review? Yes - and no. I had some reservations about the C1's back diaphragm assembly and I voiced my concerns.

Am I qualified to even be making reviews? Again, yes - and no. While I have designed condenser mics for companies like IMC (and that became the proto-design of the CAD E200), I'm certainly not in my friend Stephen Paul's league by a long shot. I know enough to be dangerous. At one point in my checkered past, I actually owned enough of the right test equipment to actually run microphone frequency response curves, distortion, sensitivity and the other required microphone tests, but that was over 30 years ago.

In the last few years, I have done some reviewing of products for rec.audio.pro, but even that was never formal, and based simply on my years as a recording engineer in Los Angeles, working with nice mics, or as a designer over the years of all sourts of audio equipment, ranging from speakers to amplifiers to guitars to just about everything else.

I kinda got into the testing stuff backwards; I bought one of the first Neumann TLM-103s and did an entire track with it for the first rec.audio.pro compilation set, so everybody could hear how it sounded for vocal, guitars, fiddle, mandolin and backup voices.

My next test was on one of the first RNCs - and, I had just borrowed the Neutrik Audio Testing rig from the Neutrik salesman. So I actually did a full electronic evaluation, and the RNC (which I also bought) exceeded every one of it's specs by a wide margin.

I don't remember how I got roped into doing the Oktava tests, but I checked out all the Sound Room Oktava and Elation mics and found (what I believed were) a few winners there. Apparently, a lot of people bought them precisely because I also pointed out all the flaws in some of the other mics they made, and the people that DID buy them agreed 100% with my evaluation. I wound up buying three of them.

I had my head handed to me about the Marshall mics, because I stated, without hearing them, that I didn't think the Chinese mics were consistent or free from high frequency ringing, based on the earlier Rodes mics I heard. When someone asked how I could say that without hearing them, I realized they were right, and asked Brent Casey to send me some for evaluation. Surprisingly, he did, and some models turned out to be incredible buys, and some were duds. I duly posted all that on various forums, and again a lot of people agreed with my findings. I ended up spending some money with Marshall as well.

I listened to all the T.H.E. mics, and I really liked them all. I haven't heard the production models yet, but based on what I did hear, I bought two mics for my own mic collection.

Akan contacted me and asked me to look at the C1, C3, and T3, and I agreed. My initial findings are in the "Under The Hood" thread on the board. Did it help Alan's sales? Probably. Was it a bought review? Well, some of my findings weren't exactly flattering. Are Alan and I friends? I never talked to him before the phone call asking me to look at the mics. Am I trying to help Alan? Yes, I like Alan, and I've even put him and Stephen Paul together to see what might happen.

And finally, where are the mics that Alan sent me to test? They're at Stephen Paul's lab right now, being torn down and really looked at hard, along with some of my Marshall mics.

I'll probably get out of the whole testing biz, simply because it takes too much of my time. I'm probably going to test the RNMP when it comes out, and the modified Stephen Paul Studio Projects and Marshall mics, but those'll be the last things I test.

I'm not a professional reviewer (nor do I play one on TV) - I'm just a small studio owner / recording engineer, with a large background in manufacturing and product design.

If my postings and "reviews" have helped established some credibility on these "cyber space message boards", then maybe it's actually helped some people avoid the "hype and BS" associated with many products being advertised these days.

I'm trying to give back to the new people some of the wonderful information I got from pros when I first started out in the music business - about 50 years ago.
 
Harvey clearly stated: I'm not a professional reviewer (nor do I play one on TV) - I'm just a small studio owner / recording engineer, with a large background in manufacturing and product design.

And that is precisely why your opinion is more valuable.

The readers of this board cannot thank you (and others who generously take the time to share their experience and background) enough.

Queue
 
And my comments about reviews were aimed SQUARELY at magazines and nothing else....

Reviews of gear from people here whose opinions I've come to trust (such as Harvey, Skippy, sonusman, Shailat, Sjoko, etc...) I find extremely valuable and would easily trust them.

Bruce
 
Harvey clearly stated: I'm not a professional reviewer (nor do I play one on TV) - I'm just a small studio owner / recording engineer, with a large background in manufacturing and product design.

And that is precisely why your opinion is more valuable.

The readers of this board cannot thank you (and others who generously take the time to share their experience and background) enough.

Queue
 
Re: Harvey, Bruce, Alan, et al

Although I like to kid around a lot to have fun, I really appreciate
what you guys do to make this bbs a better place.
It's a wonder how you can run a recording studio or a business,
and still help people like myself, novice or otherwise.
I've called local studios regarding legitimate recording information
on rates, equipment, etc., and some seem like they won't give
you the time of day! Thanks for everything....

P.S. This goes for everyone Bruce listed too.
 
https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28989

Heres the "under the hood" thread Harvey spoke of, comparing the Marshall MXLv67 to the C1.....caution : lots of B.S.was slung here......

from what I gathered, they were remarkable similar in sound.....since you can get the Marshall for cheaper, it may be the better value.....

as far as it being the "best mic in its price class", if I have to take the opinion of Alan Hyatt who owns the company or Harvey Gerst, who has nothing to do with the company, guess what?.....
Ill also use my ears that tell me they sound identical.....

so the statement should be "one of the best mics in its price class".....

again this is not a stab at anyone...I will continue to recommend the Marshall MXLv67 and the Studio Projects C1 as the best large diaphragm condenser mics in its price range to the 2 or 3 people that may respect my opnion.....
 
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Actually, Rip Rowan AND Ted Perlman did the ProRec review, and 75% of Ted's review was comments from Pete Leoni.......
 
and if we all bought mics based on magazine reviews, we'd all have those crappy ass Marshall MXL2001's like Bruce has......
 
The v67 doesnt really sound the same as the C1. But the C1 I bought did cost 175.00 and I got to try It at A local studio. I do respect the v67 as a good mic for its price.
 
Gidge said:
and if we all bought mics based on magazine reviews, we'd all have those crappy ass Marshall MXL2001's like Bruce has......
Yeah! I bought that based on one of the salesguys at my regular shop... he hyped it to death and for $200 I figured I'd check it out...

Of course, this is not one of salesguys I normally dealt with so I incorrectly took him at face value.... that mic is honky as hell!!! BUT... the good side of it is that it makes a good "coloring" mic.... it even turned out to be just the ticket to get a funky honk on a particular track...

Just goes to show that even shit has its place in recording, given the right context!!! ;)

Bruce
 
Most of you guys know me, and some don't. I am a straight shooter. I tell it like it is very direct, and I often piss off a bunch of people along the way, but as a native New Yorker, that's the way I am :D

If I say something on these boards...I mean them. I really don't care much about the reviews despite what Mr. Cleaver says, and I do care more about what the users say, as they will sell more mics for me than a review will simply by telling friends they like the mic. Of course I like it when I get a good review, but the users are still my best reviewers.

There are hundreds of great end user endorsements and comments out there, but with all due respect, Gidge has it right on this one...you guys have your own set of ears to please. Listen to others, but listen to yourself and trust those things on the side of your head...after all, who do you have to please.

I do not know who Bruce is you guys keep telling me about, but if he is a guy you all respect and if he want's to try the mics, then have him call me. Toll Free: 1-877-563-6335. You guys can call anytime to discuss the mics if you want.

I'm sorry Meshuggah and Henrik missed the LLB Show. I had the new B Series mics right next to the U87 as well. It was a great show, and the dealers went nuts. They really liked our mics. In either case, I liked Sweden...great food, and women!!
 
I'm glad people respect the information I provide... I participate on this forum for exactly that reason (trying to provide useful info), and 'cos the people are fun!

I also tell it like it is, at least from my perspective, and if people can take something useful out of it, all the better!

That being said, there are people far more qualified to judge mics than I, so I'm afraid my opinion on a mic would be completely overshadowed by the far better ears and experience that Harvey and Sjoko have.... but I appreciate the offer Alan....

I'd also be curious to know what Fletcher thinks about these mics - he's notorious for hating chinese-made mics of all kinds....

I'll admit, however, that all this talk got me real curious about them now....... I just may HAVE to check them out!

Bruce
 
you may not want Bruce (Blue Bear Sound) to use one of your mics.....them damn Canadians can be rough on a mic.....and he's still in that "honeymoon' stage so he may mistake it for a sex toy....and once you get that stinky pinky smell on a mic, thats it...gasoline won't even wash it off......

seriously, you dont have to prove much more...most people here know the C1 is an awesome mic.....but people like Harvey and Bruce and Ed(sonusman) and alot others are the guys alot of us are gonna trust, not those bozos in magazines.......
 
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